147 Responses to “The Dawning of a New Viewer: Second Life 1.19.1 Now Available!”

1. 1 Make Money On SL Says:
   April 2nd, 2008 at 4:09 PM

   what about all the STALE MONEY issues?????

   Will that ever be fixed???????

2. 2 Kraelen Redgrave Says:
   April 2nd, 2008 at 4:09 PM

   Woo! Server updates and now a new client! Keep up the good work!

3. 3 Dytska Vieria Says:
   April 2nd, 2008 at 4:09 PM

   Glad I bought an nVidia!

4. 4 Nelson Jenkins Says:
   April 2nd, 2008 at 4:09 PM

   Awesome! Now I can use WindLight in the mainstream viewer! Huzzah!

   Never mind the fact that I’ve been waiting for nearly 4 hours to purchase this office desk set, I can’t IM anyone, logins are spotty, email support in my scripts is slow, and I can’t teleport. In fact, I can barely walk.

   And it happens every… single… day… without… fail.

5. 5 MONEY-PYRAMID.COM Says:
   April 2nd, 2008 at 4:12 PM

   From data collected during the RC period, an approximate 20% decrease in total crash rate

   ////////////

   I’ve been looking at the service metrics pages past few months SL has crashed out 22% average on users so u are telling me now its down to 2% LMAO yeah right!!!!

6. 6 Phil Priestman Says:
   April 2nd, 2008 at 4:13 PM

   Well now that its finally gone official maybe some of the lindens could stop wasting time with all the pretty images and sounds and get to work on fixing the important stuff like the memory leaks that have been ignored for months on end.

7. 7 Nelson Jenkins Says:
   April 2nd, 2008 at 4:15 PM

   Wait a second. “Added command line option to crash on command line startup (-crash)”? What?

   Is this some kind of joke? Is this a default command line option for all shortcuts?

   And how hard is it to implement an LSL command for glow?

8. 8 Sitearm Madonna Says:
   April 2nd, 2008 at 4:16 PM

   My three-year old desktop with ATI RADEON 9800 128mb graphics card stopped running any version of SL client this morning - suspect it may go with the new server code since that finalized today April 2nd (all ran OK yesterday April 1st).

   Luckily my one-year old laptop is still working with SL. But I just lost my backup.

9. 9 hugsalot Says:
   April 2nd, 2008 at 4:16 PM

   woot! now when I’m lagged, I can watch the pretty water and cloud effects.

10. 10 Kraelen Redgrave Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:17 PM

    Hmmm.. I was about to download it and noticed the version number is the same as the rc4 client. Is it worth me downloading this client to replace the rc or are they one and the same?

11. 11 hugsalot Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:19 PM

    @7
    That’s odd. Exactly what happens when you try to login? Any error messages? does it just crash? Tried clearing texture cache? I used to use an OLD ATI 7200 that would constantly tell me this card isn’t supported, but it worked anyway! Now I’m sporting an 8800 GT, woot!

12. 12 o.h. Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:21 PM

    beeen a looong way, congratulations

13. 13 TyrisFlare nielsen Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:24 PM

    wtf?
    )

14. 14 Ciaran Laval Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:24 PM

    Can’t you include some of these bug fixes and new options in a viewer that isn’t quite so graphic intensive? My graphics look pretty damn poor with this viewer, but work fine with the previous viewer.

15. 15 UNHAPPY OWNER Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:25 PM

    Is this a joke all the in world problems today,come on guys april fools day was yesturday!

16. 16 Johnny Rambler Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:27 PM

    Okay…let’s see

    1) various asset and services issues have abound the grid for two weeks.
    2) A server update to Havok 4
    3) A viewer update to the client…witndlight.

    Any takers on a bet the grid goes down in two days?..Oh wait, yeah, can’t gamble either, shoot.

17. 17 Athena Sterling Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:27 PM

    how about taking some time to fix the stale payment issues? i don’t care how stable a sim is, or what it can look like… if we can’t trade objects or L$, then nothing else matters…

18. 18 MONEY-PYRAMID.COM Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:31 PM

    From data collected during the RC period, an approximate 20% decrease in total crash rate

    got to be kidding me. your service metrics pages shows on average past few months SL crashes people off at the rate of 22%. so your telling me its now cut to 2% with this updated??

    WTF… 1st time I tried to log in with this it crashed me off. So far thats 100% times I’ve been logged off.

19. 19 Tycho Beresford Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:31 PM

    If we’re running RC4 do we need to download this one too? If so, what has changed since RC4?

20. 20 Lane Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:33 PM

    Did the BOLD and BAD BLINK on communication got fixed?

    Did Voice stop being on “by default”?

    Did the buttons for attachments got moved or removed?

    Did the color prism effect go away without the need to disable GL and stuff?

    DOES IT CRASH LESS????

    I’ll only download if ALL of these questions receive yes.

21. 21 MONEY-PYRAMId.COM Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:36 PM

    The WORLD is uselss if MONEY is always broken. Great economy SL has right now. Much worst of an economy then the United States has right now.

    The Canadian dollar is more valuable then Linden dollars at least their money never fails!!!!!

22. 22 Cold Spitteler Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:38 PM

    @16 i think they just wanted to rush out another blog post with the other ones on the knowledge base to push out the last 4 days of failed services

    and from what others are saying it isnt even a new release, just rc4 renamed

23. 23 TyrisFlare nielsen Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:39 PM

    OH*MY*

24. 24 Elendir Axon Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:39 PM

    /facepalms at all the whiners who don’t realize that all of these updates will help reduce the amount of problems and ease the process and speed of repairing them.

25. 25 Danball Tureaud Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:41 PM

    #7 Sitearm Madonna
    “My three-year old desktop with ATI RADEON 9800 128mb graphics card stopped running any version of SL client this morning - suspect it may go with the new server code since that finalized today April 2nd (all ran OK yesterday April 1st).

    Luckily my one-year old laptop is still working with SL. But I just lost my backup.”

    You didn’t lose your backup, look for your chat logs in the folder “C:\Documents and Settings\..windows account name..\Application Data\SecondLife\..SL user name..\”, and back that up and put it on your laptop

26. 26 Stoltz Sinatra Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:42 PM

    @16 Well if you don’t have a stable sim, then you won’t have a place to trade your objects.

    Always wonderful to see people that just have the short-term perspective in mind. Havok 4, new viewer, mono etc is all about getting the grid more stable.

    @5 - Smart comment, do you honestly think that Linden Labs is running short of people? Do you think that people that are specialised in sim server code are good at doing asset server code as well? Linden Labs will not ever be short of people, they just have to scan the blog: It is full with expert project managers, the best programmers in the world and all the “I can do it better”-wannabees. Strangly enough, none of these self-claimed have created a good competitor to Second Life.

    Keep up the good work LL

27. 27 Damona Rau Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:43 PM

    New SIM-Software, new viewer, but still since one week heavyly problems with TP, transactions, search and and and…

    Please tell me, when we will have a stable grid for at least, let me say, one week? That would be a start, but a permanent stable grid would be nice. You stay behind your TOS but your residents loose alot of money with this kind of problems without any chance to get the money back - or a coverage for the failures and loss of profit.

    You (LindenLabs) wants the Tier accurate payed so give your residents the chance to be accurate!

    I think it’s time for changing your politics, because without the residents, SL is nothing and you have thousands unused servers.

28. 28 MONEY-PYRAMID.COM Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:43 PM

    @23 nothing is gonna ease the process we have been experiencing the past few days. We ALL need compensated. My profits are all gone. I’m barley making even on L$ if that anymore. LL needs to get their crap fixed. all these issues we deal with now breaking are issues we dealt with for the past year.

    Linden Labs its time you step up to the plate & take action get your BUGS FIXED!!!!!! They haven’t fixed a single thing. They only TEMP FIX problems not actually fix them!!!!

29. 29 Pastrami Linden Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:43 PM

    This is essentially the same viewer as RC4, but now “channeled” as main Viewer- which means RC updates have ceased.

30. 30 Kraelen Redgrave Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:43 PM

    @17

    You fail at basic math.

    If crashes were in the region of 22%, then a reduction of 20% would be 17.6%

    A 4.4% decrease in crashes is pretty good imo. I’m sure a lot of people will say it isn’t enough, but personally I think it is better than nothing.

31. 31 Phil Priestman Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:44 PM

    But these haven’t fixed the problems..

    All those wonderful fixes listed are just ones that were apart of the Windlight preview which did nothing whatsoever to fix the main issues like stability, memory leaks, etc etc.

    Please don’t be fooled by the pretty colors.

32. 32 Guardian Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:46 PM

    Torleys lost his power of windlight muhahaha

33. 33 Slartibartfast Magicthise Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:48 PM

    I’m psyched!

    Double w00ts on everybody!

    I kiss you! I do jelly-belly dance for you! You make happy for me!

    (made me happy all the way back to my “old country” ancestors!)

34. 34 Digital Digital Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:48 PM

    A few of my friends are saying their computer is no longer supported, my computer mac pro tower runs it great I have a 512 MB nvidia 8800 the new card, but my friends can’t get online. They were able to use the old viewer but when they updated can’t use the new one.

35. 35 Stacey Sugar Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:49 PM

    I had a slight problem with the previous beta client while bulk uploading textures the client would occasionally fail to upload and an error box pop up. When closing this box I was unable to upload anything until I restarted the client

36. 36 Athena Sterling Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:50 PM

    @25… my sim has been stable for well over a year, and i’ve never once complained about that, woo hoo, a new sim backend, woo hoo now a new viewer… however everything else is falling apart.

37. 37 Shannon Carroll Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:51 PM

    Nice list of bug fixes, so kudos on that, but just out of curiosity, are we ever going to get the ability to set custom colors in the color picker again? (One of several JIRA links to this issue can be found here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5366 )

38. 38 Pastrami Linden Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:53 PM

    @33- no cards have been “outlawed”- all we do is advise you that your card is not on our list- but it should let you then run. If it’s not, it’s another issue- but we *don’t* explicitly forbid any cards from running it, and at Low settings, it should actually perform better now.

39. 39 Jessica Hultcrantz Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:53 PM

    Maybe this has been up before somewhere, but what about everyone with older hardware?
    I tried windlight once, and that was enough. Pretty but 1/10 FPS :-/

    And as all others say… FIX THE DATABASES!!! Allmost every day there is issues with “please don’t rez valuable items” or “there is currently in world services down” etc… *sighs*

    Oh well.. at least when the grey turns into a beautiful see after 10 minutes, there is something to be happy about when everything else fails.

    And if it will really work as promised… I don’t dare to dream about that to not be dissapointed, but if it does, I hope the backend works.

    Still flagging for more network and processor issues with the new viewer as I haven’t heard anyone with windlight not using more bandwidth or cpu power compared to the older viewers, this far.

    And those memory leaks… *sighs*
    Run SL up to 4 hours max and relog or get stuck. And that’s on more than enought memory! (Yep I have read the hardware specs *grins*)

40. 40 kath McGill Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:55 PM

    um… I just down loaded it, and I was on for about a miniute and I crashed, then it said I had to wait to log in, and when I re logged in I lasted about 2 min, and then crashed,and its telling me that I have to wait to log in and it gave a region log out blurb, but my husband Ryu has a monotor over our islands and he said there was no report of the island crashing, just me, and i was just on earlier today for a while, so its the new update that messed up,

    AND my Nortan says that it picked up a Worm something from SL that was trying to access my system- while I *know* its not a worm thing from SL, my computer is thinking that it is… (unless there is a wrym in SL?)

    can we get this fixed by Sat? Ive three meeting to attend!
    thanks bunches.
    kath mcGill

41. 41 Korena Starbrook Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:55 PM

    I cannot get WL to work AT ALL. Flashing, colors changing, just a total mess.

    Wasn’t looking forward to this.

    Let’s hope WL will never be mandatory.

42. 42 Alias Schilling Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:56 PM

    Love the Dazzle UI - hope that’s been implemented too?

43. 43 Phil Deakins Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:57 PM

    @23 Elendir.

    I accept that Havok4 and mono are steps in the direction stability, but definitely not Windlight. All it does is make pretty skies and water. Who cares about those when every day, for almost 2 weeks now, we’ve had “don’t do any transactions” periods - every blxxdy day!

44. 44 MONEY-PYRAMID.COM Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:57 PM

    [16:56] The system is currently unable to process your request. The request timed out.

    looks like money is stillllllllllllllllll broken!!!!!!! this client hasnt fixed a thing!!!!!!

45. 45 Dorian Hathaway Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 4:59 PM

    Every login results in message “Login Failed”…..

46. 46 Digital Digital Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:02 PM

    Thank you Pastrami for the information I have told my friends that are having problems, Hopefully they can get it up and running, I greatly appreciate the help and love the new viewer! Have a wonderful day!

47. 47 Happy to be alive Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:03 PM

    I wish for once that when i looked at a blog that allowed comments..you whiners would just shut up. Can you possibly imagine how hard it is to implement this grid? I too experience problems. Over the past 2 weeks i have lost over 300 dollars in stuff and I reported it like it says to do. I havent had any help yet, but most of the issues that I have were addressed and fixed. I have an idea, why dont all the complainers out there get together and make your own grid? Cuz ur so smart! Ill play on it! Then Ill bitch and complain when you tards mess up the littlest thing. Start living, stop complaining, or quit! I for one am tired of hearing you.

48. 48 Tiny Mind Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:03 PM

    “”you got to be kidding me. your service metrics pages shows on average past few months SL crashes people off at the rate of 22%. so your telling me its now cut to 2% with this updated??”"

    No, no… #17. You misunderstand. With the new Client and Server-code you now crash up to 22% FASTER.

    Enjoy, from the Tiny.

49. 49 Ciaran Laval Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:03 PM

    I hope this doesn’t become mandatory. Performance is better on low settings, which is fine for when I’m whizzing around checking things but if I want to sit back and take in the scenery, it’s a lot less impressive than the normal viewer, even the grass doesn’t happen.

    I’m happy to have a choice between buggy viewer/better views and less buggy viewer/poor views.

    For those whose graphics don’t turn to dust with this viewer, performance and images should be much improved.

50. 50 Phil Priestman Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:04 PM

    @43 the client has nothing to do with it. Thats all the fault of the asset server.

51. 51 Aianna Oh Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:06 PM

    Ok, I downloaded it. Now all I do is freeze on every step. On top of that, I have a faerie av that I use very often. Only I can’t use it now, because it seems that small AVs are not longer welcome. When I am on the grass, I hop up and down like a rabbit. I’m ok when standing on prims. I don’t know what you guys did with this thing, but there are going to be alot of small, angry people.

52. 52 Phil Priestman Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:08 PM

    I’m hopping around too. Something glitchy with the havok4.

53. 53 Lina Pussycat Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:08 PM

    to people complaining this is more graphically intensive… It can be if you try to crank things up to high yes….. And things are bound to progress with it more and more….

    To those saying why dont they fix such and such.. Well because this is handled by different teams. As an example. You wouldnt have a 2d texture arrtist do 3d work for a game because thats not their team and its not something they know about.

    In turn people that handle server side issue vs those that handle client side things are entirely diff things…. If you cant see that i dont know what exactly to tell you to do…. SL still runs fine for me though…… I do have trouble logging in now and then but thats most likely something on my end as i havent had the problem with other computers on the same connection (and i need to defrag)

    Also keep in mind that the LL dev team is smaller then most companies that do stuff like this, as it grows this stuff will get better.

    @33 Many people try to run SL on like Minimum speaks or really really poor computers. My computer is as follows

    CPU: AMD K7 (Amd Sempron (2400+)) (1670 MHz)
    Memory: 2048 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 6800 GS/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!
    OpenGL Version: 2.1.1

    This runs windlight fine without pushing things overtly low. You can build a slightly higher end system then this for relatively cheap or upgrade relatively cheaply. I really do wonder at times the people that say their computers are no longer supported just what they are running (integrated graphics maybe? or older cards?) My card is about 4 years old and works fine so I have no idea….

54. 54 Q Linden Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:09 PM

    Hi, folks. I was the one who implemented the Estate Level Abuse Reporting (ELAR) support. Alas, I implemented the server side in a way that worked, but had the potential to cause problems under heavy load. We caught it during server testing and made the decision to turn it off.

    Unfortunately, the timing was such that this release of the viewer was already being released. It even made the release notes.

    Although it’s in the UI, it won’t work until we’ve had time to get the changes made, tested and through the release process on the servers AND into a new viewer. That’s likely to be at least a couple of weeks. My apologies.

55. 55 Space colony Necronom VI Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:09 PM

    im sorry, but what do the inworld problems have to do with the viewer development team? this viewer has been under development for what, one year? i think this should be a time for celebration.
    Most peple who try out SL log in, then they think “ewwwww…” and leave never to be seen again. This client is a necessary development and a big improvement and because as a designer obviously I think it needs a whole lot of improvement Im glad its finally finished so they can move on.

56. 56 Bradley Bracken Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:10 PM

    Normally I hate all the negativity on the blog comments, but do you really think I’m going to try this now after this disasterous week? I’ll let others be the guinea pigs for now.

57. 57 Windy Noyes Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:11 PM

    Any improvement is welcome. However, right now I can’t see the new features because login fails. I love the SL world - but it is so unreliable. P.S. The client has memory issues - it eats and eats memory until it finally has used it all and crashes (after about 2 hours). I hope the new viewer performs better than that, or are the changes as superficial as they seem?

58. 58 Lina Pussycat Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:11 PM

    As an aside to everyone Nvidia cards work better with SL as they have better OpenGL support (the newer ATI cards are fine but the older ones are rubbish) I’d recommend reexamining your system and see if there are small inexpensive upgrades or replacements that are possible (i’m aware this isnt always possible) I’d also advise staying away from ATI cards for the itnerum they are getting better but arnt quite there yet…

59. 59 Shiva abye Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:15 PM

    @28

    Pastrami, my dict tells me “essentially” could be “largely” or “really”. Am I to do download this one as it has some fixes against the RC one? Actually I’m on RC4 (1.19.1.4).

    Thx
    S.

60. 60 yonatan whiteberry Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:15 PM

    I KEEP SEEING TRAIENGELS ……WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON ITS SUPPSOE TO BE AGOOD VIEWER SO WHY ICANT MOVE WITH OUT WEIRED SHAPES ALL OVER MY AVATAR AND THE ROOM AROUND ME
    PLZ TELL ME WHATS WRONG AND HOW TO FIX IT
    IT WAS JUST FINE WITH THE VIEWER I HAD BEFOR THIS ONE

61. 61 Marianne McCann Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:17 PM

    @43. The client != the asset server.

    I’m glad WLs made it to the main — I sure hope there’s still more to come, though, even with it reaching main viewer status

62. 62 Scree Raymaker Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:18 PM

    Is there an incompatibility between the new server code and the viewer? I think I’ve crashed more times since the server update than I have in all the time since RC4 became available.

63. 63 Happy to be alive Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:18 PM

    I think that SL is awesome! I can remember a year ago when things looked like a donkey kong video game..now its almost amazing. They are getting there peeps. I know that ur SL addiction kicks into overdrive when you have problems and it really makes you mad. Sometimes you just have to unplug and ride a bike, Go on a date. Take a vacation from sl and hopefully when you come back we will have things better for you. There are always going to be problems. Something this complex has issues that cant be seen until experienced. Take a deep breathe…and if u are lucky enough to get in-world..do some tai chi at The Lost Gardens of Apollo. It will make you zen!

64. 64 Andromeda Quonset Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:19 PM

    1. Where is the new NON-Windlight viewer?

    2. VWR-2273: View menu > Instant Message should be changed to “Communicate” Why?

65. 65 Tawney Bian Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:19 PM

    Well something has made a difference because everything is loading MUCH faster. I don’t have a top of the line computer either, just an ordinary 4 year old one.
    My graphics card wasn’t on the list either, but seems to be working alright - I have — Graphics Card: GeForce FX 5200/AGP/SSE2 if that helps anyone.

    There is hope for the future

    Thanks for making improvements.

66. 66 Slartibartfast Magicthise Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:21 PM

    I think that those of us that love this viewer (more stable, more responsive, more beautiful, etc.) are too busy loving it to post here! I’m busy working away and thinking if there was a Linden near me to hug I’d do it!

    Sorry about the second “fan-boi” sounding post, but THANK YOUZE GUYS!!

    I hope everybody having problems are soon back on their feet again. I’d love to help, but I’m gonna go get me some glow!

67. 67 Istephanija Munro Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:22 PM

    Congrats on the work,

    What you don’t get is what we want! All this new stuff and still we have the same issues, you want your kudos you get the timing right!!!!

    Damn group chat still can’t be activated, having 5000 group members makes them getting bothered by 20 ruthless spammers everyday, they get a 1 day suspension and spam again because there is no group banning. Every time i loose good customers over that, thats an open issue since 2005!

    With all due respect, do you even realize how unprofessional your management is? What do yo think, how large is the number of people knowing the difference between asset server, havoc4 and new viewers? For the vast majority of people it is all Second Life and Second Life is broken since 2 weeks! So people are going to download your probably very nice viewer but still they get deducted money without receiving the purchased item, therefore you can do whatever you want - you won’t get the Kudos!

    Makes sense?

68. 68 Happy to be alive Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:22 PM

    @64 its gone. Say a pray for it

69. 69 Chilko Tardis Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:23 PM

    But what of nimble?

70. 70 Aminom Marvin Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:23 PM

    Where is the fix for borked lossless for sculpts? http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2404
    Going on six months now. This isn’t a small thing- sculpts could be up to 20 TIMES smaller in file size with lossless fixed (average of around 4-8 times)

71. 71 Debbie Bremer Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:23 PM

    Nothing but grey boxes no matter what I do. Not only can’t I teleport or buy things, but now my client stinks.

72. 72 Moveing Out Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:23 PM

    You guys every notice Lindens never say anything about returning lost objects or paying for their screw ups.

73. 73 LoLo Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:24 PM

    WE DONT WANT ANY NEW VIEWERS THIS ONE IS CRAP I WONT TRY YOUR NEW ONE BECAUSE EVERY NEW ONE IS CRAPPIER

74. 74 Seth Ock Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:24 PM

    Congratulations, LL! I’ve been enjoying the Windlight and RC versions for months now and it’s good to see all that hard work become the norm. Now I’m excited at the prospect of what’s next …

    Unfortunately, I think the timing of this release was a little premature. Oh, sure RC4 is stable and faster and nicer, but releasing it only /hours/ after Havok4 was deployed is going to confuse the heck out of people. Most users aren’t going to even know they’ve got a new server … but they sure will blame every little thing on the new viewer. Users are like that; they aren’t stupid, but they do tend to be technically ignorant and don’t understand the difference between the viewer and the various servers. Just look at some of the confusion expressed in these comments!

    Oh well, the damage is done. It’s your nightmare to support.

75. 75 ChatNoir Moonsoo Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:25 PM

    >>A new cleaned-up, easy to use Graphics Preferences tab with simple and advanced options for performance/quality settings

    I was hoping that someone realized how impracticable that “easy to use Graphics Preferences tab” is before the new viewer goes into production; that actually is a major step back in terms of usability. Not only is there an unneeded hierarchy in options, the options themselves are way less user friendly to manage through sliders than through spinners with direct value-entering. Especially when you need to adjust values the most: when you get into a high-lag location; then this interface is murder and unusable.

    PLEASE!!! Hire someone with a professional background in UI design!

76. 76 Zena Zemlja Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:26 PM

    @ kath: OUCH

    now I really don’t dare to download it anymore

    and for the rest: I just don’t know what to think anymore, wish that all the crashes (several a day), clothesbugs (I really hate those white legs, can not wear any of my even haute couture jackets), losing inventory over and over again, not being able to wear clothes for hours, for days even sometimes (and only being able to stay at home or go to a nude beach, sigh) and, and, and…. will be fixed now… ? sigh

77. 77 Neural Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:29 PM

    @61: no, they are just trying to kill the economy completely. Free content for all.

    So apparently the problem with invisiprims setting off a display error that results in a pretty prismatic gradient have not been fixed? Am I reading that right in the comments here? It is present in RC4, I know that. I was hoping (I know, stupid thing to do) that they’d fix it.
    Maybe they should just change their “system requirements” to simply state “we have no clue what video cards will work and what ones won’t, good luck!”.

78. 78 U M Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:29 PM

    omg its here!

    “VWR-2030: Avatar only turns half-way in Appearance Mode ”

    wha???????

    Anyways good to see LL started this. It wil be a little time before the bugs are gone. But we are indeed in a new era.

79. 79 Phil Deakins Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:29 PM

    To those who think that people are blissfully ignorant of the differences between the asset server, the sim servers, and the viewer - tou are wrong. People DO know what they are - they are not “technically ignorant”, as someone put it. It’s that we don’t want LL putting their efforts into pretty skies and things like that, when they could be putting their efforts into things that matter.

80. 80 Angsty Rossini Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:31 PM

    Is this a Mandatory viewer update that I have to download, or can I still continue to use 1.18.3(5)?

    As much as I love the shiny Windlight (as per previous RC versions), I prefer being able to stay logged in for more than 5 minutes at a time, and move without waiting 5 seconds between each step….

81. 81 nokithecat writer Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:31 PM

    I crash every time I try to TP (>_< 100%

82. 82 MarkByron Falta Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:31 PM

    @5, You want LL to focus on fixing the important stuff? Don’t you realize that the eye straining Dazzle viewer and the Mono ‘eat my memory’ runtime are still in testing? Sorry, the important stuff has to wait - maybe next year.

83. 83 Aaron J. Freeman Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:32 PM

    I haven’t had time to check out the RC4 properly, since I tend to avoid Windlaugh, but there shouldn’t be any difference between that and 1.19.1
    For those who’d like to complain that the left hand doesn’t work with a right hand wrench, search for the group LLH, Linden Lab Haters, and get a free t-shirt.
    Yes, the System is borked, as per usual, and weekend problems seem to’ve gotten loose, but the point of Second Life is User Created Content, and there are groups of users who are trying to create a more scaleable system.
    My account is Basic, I’m one of those people that Paying Customers might like their builds to be seen by, and Linden Labs is struggling to scale that up. Now is the Good Old Days, when only real users could log-on.

84. 84 Allan Doodes Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:33 PM

    Quick question, if I load this and find I am having problems, and several people imply I could, or decided I prefered the old viewer, how would I revert back?

    Must admit I am also getting tired of the problems. I’m not running a business or doing anything special but I amfinding myself increasingly out of pocket, maybe three hundrend Lindens so far. I know it’s small fry compared with what others are losing, but it still hitting me in my (virtual) pocket.

    And whilst reducing crashes by 20% is good, I have had an increase of crashes of over 50% over the last few weeks, and on one occassion was locked out for over 45 minutes after a log off to avoid a crash. These problems seriously annoy, and more to the point put newbies form staying, increasing churn. Which is in nobody’s interest.

85. 85 Cyn Vandeverre Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:33 PM

    Alas. I have one of the MacPros that crash with Windlight since its first release in First Look; even on “mid” quality graphics settings, it freezes my computer solid within five minutes. Needs to be turned off by hand at that point.

    I’ve JIRA’d this and voted for related issues many times, but no resolutions yet. Very frustrating as non-Windlight versions I can run with long draw distances and high performance graphics.

    I love your work but wish this improvement didn’t get rolled out until it stopped crashing Macs.

86. 86 Amras Martynov Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:33 PM

    dum Roma deliberat Saguntum perit

    …Aquila non copit murem.

87. 87 magnus Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:36 PM

    and now the final screwing. lets implement the unstable viewer for all so now I can only crash every three minutes with no alternative. I swear, if I had not just forked over 1600 real dollars for a SIM I would take this whole stupid thing and flush it down the toilet. You have proven yourself to be nothing more than money grubbing businessman. The minute someone comes up with a better system, and its coming, LL will be losing value faster than Bears Sterns. Thank you for nothing. Kiss my ass.

88. 88 magnus Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:37 PM

    oh yes I am on a mac as well, but of course you couldn’t really care less….

89. 89 Happy to be alive Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:39 PM

    @87 blarney! you crash everytime you flush to Im sure of it. Chin up chap! Youll be ok.

90. 90 Katerine Ninetails Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:40 PM

    Ive been hearing a lot about graphic cards lately,and even though I dont know much about computers im pretty sure thats the reason mine sonds like a jumbo jet now. I Know I dont have an nVidia card,so how can I upgrade mine or replace it? I dont want to have to buy a whole new computer my Dell is only a couple years old. thx^^

91. 91 Creem Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:40 PM

    I noticed that the build limit with 1.19.1 is still 786m - now that the grid is Havok4, when will this limit be raised? Otherwise, this viewer seems very good so far =)

92. 92 Cube Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:42 PM

    ATI performance with recent 8.3 drivers is still horrible and worse than the last in vista and windows XP.

    Having to downgrade drivers down to 7.11 and lose new features is not something ATI users should have to do everything else works fine.

    Things shaders and graphic options are still broken and Crashes are worse.

    And it’s obvious they are broken since they worked before.

    Fix it it is almost not useable.

93. 93 saiyge lotus Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:42 PM

    Folks… if you are having issues with the windlight, take a peek at Dazzle. http://secondlife.com/community/firstlook.php

94. 94 Kalderi Tomsen Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:42 PM

    I have been using all the WL stuff on a 4 year-old “unsupported” graphics card since First Look. At the start it was rough but now it is easily the most stable SL client I have ever run in over a year in-world. It crashes less, and things render much faster. I had to tweak with the settings - expecting that a low-end unsupported graphics card can run at “Ultra” level is stupid.

    Anyone who is thinking that this is just “pretty graphics” has really missed the boat.

    Congrats to the WL team for this fantastic piece of work. I have seen a couple of pictures of places that I know well and they look almost indistinguishable from a RL photo.

    Together with Havok4 and Mono it sounds like the stability will continue getting better. Great job!

95. 95 Michael Timeless Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:42 PM

    For those of you with problems with tiny avi’s you may want to read the Havok 4 wiki. It talks specifically about some issues faced with Havok 4 that can be easily adjusted. I suspect it is the way the prims in your outfit are linked and may be an easy fix.

    As for the people who complain about the winers. Not everyone is intuitive when it comes to this system. Even those of us who have used computer systems for years are amazed at the way the documentation is written. I have for the past three months asked in every forum for a list of what the viewer commands all do and have yet to find a single answer. The frustration most people feel is from not understanding the platform. Most people who game don’t routinely play a game where they are required to have a lawyer explain their game to them. That is why Torley is so popular, he explains things and Sidewinder and a few of the Lindens also do a good job. The problem seems that the ones who explain things the best are spead too thin to help the vast majorioty of the users who have problems. The best teachers in SL I find don’t own land and are becoming less committed to the game.
    The educated consumer is usually the one who complains the least, a fact often lost here.

96. 96 Marlena Petrov Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:43 PM

    Best to download to your hard drive, then install…keep all the older versions or one back at least so you can go back

97. 97 Scarlett Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:45 PM

    Fantastic. Gloss over all the cracks with a nice shiny new viewer.

    How about fixing the transactions issue? or the log in failures? or the TP problems? Actually sort it all out!

    It’ll save you wasting your time writing a new blog repeating the same problems over and over again!

98. 98 darla Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:49 PM

    oh stop complaing already when to cant leave the house at least you can watch the fishes swim in the pretty water
    well if ya near near the beach.. if not well … well you can think about the pretty water

99. 99 Joshua Philgarlic Says:
    April 2nd, 2008 at 5:49 PM

    I just stuck in my 2nd TP since I started 1.19.1. It might be a server issue. If you get this fixed too I give you 10 points. For the moment I give you 7

100. 100 ChatNoir Moonsoo Says:
     April 2nd, 2008 at 5:49 PM

     @52:

     >>to people complaining this is more graphically intensive… It can be if you try to crank things up to high yes…..

     not true. Previously I could see the actual terrain without my (admittedly average) graphics card going up in smoke. Now I can’t. Same textures. Same sims. Lower quality now with the same settings/system. So obviously we have a regress in code-quality.

     Try using av-impostors, for example. That’s them old Commodore graphics in Somewhat-3D ™.

101. 101 Elliott Eldrich Says:
     April 2nd, 2008 at 5:49 PM

     This release is not working at all for me. I have a Gen1 Mac Pro running OS X 10.4.11 “Tiger”, 10gb of ram, an ATI x1900XT video card with 512meg of ram.

     When I go to run SL 1.19.1.4, textures are not loading for me, and my system totally locks up after about five minutes necessitating a power cycle to get my system back. I tried setting video settings to “medium” even though the default for my machine was “high”, and that didn’t help, still end up locking up after five minutes.

     By the way, I tried “Leopard” (10.5.2) and that was a total disaster, needed to roll back to 10.4.11 just to have a system that worked at all. Leopard and ATI do not work and play well together, there’s multiple postings and websites that discuss this issue.

     For now, I’ll be using 1.19.0.5 and hoping that you’ll be able to fix these issues for OS X.

102. 102 Joshua Philgarlic Says:
     April 2nd, 2008 at 5:52 PM

     P.S.: There’s a CANCEL button missing if I obviously see that the TP is failing.

103. 103 darla Says:
     April 2nd, 2008 at 5:54 PM

     still complaining… if ya loose your money get a job
     ya loose your clothing go naky you loose your best girl hell give darla a call but look on the bright side we have nice water

104. 104 Gypsy Paz Says:
     April 2nd, 2008 at 5:54 PM

     What happened to raising the build altitude limitations to 4096?.
     The Havok 4 team told us we were getting that in the next viewer
     shortly after the server-side rollout

105. 105 Zena Zemlja Says:
     April 2nd, 2008 at 5:57 PM

     beam me up scotty

     sorry captain, tp does not work

     beam me up tomorrow scotty

     sorry captain, tp still does not work

     beam me up next week, scotty

     sorry captain, ship has left without you

     (am I being sarcastic here…? well, maybe have a right to it, not seen my sl love for days now because of tp incapability