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	<title>Comments on: Linux Client Turns Beta</title>
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		<title>By: Blaise Pfeffer</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/05/linux-client-turns-beta/#comment-617664</link>
		<dc:creator>Blaise Pfeffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought that the Linux client was more stable. (sad truth, I switched to Linux in part because I was sick of SL being so crashtastic.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought that the Linux client was more stable. (sad truth, I switched to Linux in part because I was sick of SL being so crashtastic.)</p>
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		<title>By: hugsalot</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/05/linux-client-turns-beta/#comment-616792</link>
		<dc:creator>hugsalot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy, I find the windows client to be more stable than my Linux install.  At least when I minimize the Windows version it doesn't go black and eventually crash like my Linux version does EVERYTIME.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy, I find the windows client to be more stable than my Linux install.  At least when I minimize the Windows version it doesn&#8217;t go black and eventually crash like my Linux version does EVERYTIME.</p>
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		<title>By: Mycha Ashbourne</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/05/linux-client-turns-beta/#comment-591456</link>
		<dc:creator>Mycha Ashbourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still crashing now at the rate of 5-6 times per hour on OS/X 10.4 with the latest viewer and all releases post 1.19.05 - I long for the days of 1.04. I find it unacceptable for LL or anyone else to claim on the OSX platform "it depends on the video driver" - Apple has several canned hardware versions and I'm tired of trying to do business in a virtual world where the interface developers code like crap. And it looks like the only "improvement" in these releases is a minor re-organization of the user interface!

I'm tired of having to reboot my MacBook Pro entirely because the SL client has locked up the machine or de-stabilized the graphics driver so bad it looks like an IBM PC CGA display from 1991.

I have put in a support ticket and not gotten a response at all, someone there @ LL is asleep at the wheel. If I continue to get zero response from people @ LL, I'm going to take my support issues and in a polite and very professional way (no sarcasm) send it off in a registered letter to each member of the Board of Directors @ LL - maybe someone in executive management can teach their subordinates how QA is done.

It's quite obvious to me (and I'm a fairly seasoned UNIX admin / minor programmer myself) that the LL clients have two problems - the video driver stability, but more importantly I see evidence of single-threaded coding in the client software, which tells me that @ LL, too many coders are Windows or Java coders who only think that way - it's a real shame, and probably also a sign of the times in the marketplace.

I can't get over I'm probably going to have to run Linux in a Parallels instance on OS/X to -maybe- get some SL stability. Ridiculous.

Other highlights of this fiasco:

- On Windows / OSX, the client crashes immediately when trying to open up a Friends conference.

- Opening up a media stream in laggy zones hangs the client, and in most cases, the entire OS in OS/X. Hello? Multi-threading?

If anyone asks me to upgrade to 10.5 to fix this I'm going to politely tell them : "That works with Windows users."

PLEASE, LL - START LISTENING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still crashing now at the rate of 5-6 times per hour on OS/X 10.4 with the latest viewer and all releases post 1.19.05 - I long for the days of 1.04. I find it unacceptable for LL or anyone else to claim on the OSX platform &#8220;it depends on the video driver&#8221; - Apple has several canned hardware versions and I&#8217;m tired of trying to do business in a virtual world where the interface developers code like crap. And it looks like the only &#8220;improvement&#8221; in these releases is a minor re-organization of the user interface!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of having to reboot my MacBook Pro entirely because the SL client has locked up the machine or de-stabilized the graphics driver so bad it looks like an IBM PC CGA display from 1991.</p>
<p>I have put in a support ticket and not gotten a response at all, someone there @ LL is asleep at the wheel. If I continue to get zero response from people @ LL, I&#8217;m going to take my support issues and in a polite and very professional way (no sarcasm) send it off in a registered letter to each member of the Board of Directors @ LL - maybe someone in executive management can teach their subordinates how QA is done.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite obvious to me (and I&#8217;m a fairly seasoned UNIX admin / minor programmer myself) that the LL clients have two problems - the video driver stability, but more importantly I see evidence of single-threaded coding in the client software, which tells me that @ LL, too many coders are Windows or Java coders who only think that way - it&#8217;s a real shame, and probably also a sign of the times in the marketplace.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t get over I&#8217;m probably going to have to run Linux in a Parallels instance on OS/X to -maybe- get some SL stability. Ridiculous.</p>
<p>Other highlights of this fiasco:</p>
<p>- On Windows / OSX, the client crashes immediately when trying to open up a Friends conference.</p>
<p>- Opening up a media stream in laggy zones hangs the client, and in most cases, the entire OS in OS/X. Hello? Multi-threading?</p>
<p>If anyone asks me to upgrade to 10.5 to fix this I&#8217;m going to politely tell them : &#8220;That works with Windows users.&#8221;</p>
<p>PLEASE, LL - START LISTENING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!</p>
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		<title>By: Second Life releases Linux client &#171; TechBays</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/05/linux-client-turns-beta/#comment-590713</link>
		<dc:creator>Second Life releases Linux client &#171; TechBays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Life releases Linux&#160;client  Posted on March 17, 2008 by Carlo Maglinao   Second Life releases beta version of Linux client and can be downloaded [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Life releases Linux&nbsp;client  Posted on March 17, 2008 by Carlo Maglinao   Second Life releases beta version of Linux client and can be downloaded [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Linuxeros en SecondLife &#171; Gualinx</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/05/linux-client-turns-beta/#comment-589897</link>
		<dc:creator>Linuxeros en SecondLife &#171; Gualinx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fuente: blog de SecondLife [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Way to go! &#124; PrimForge</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/05/linux-client-turns-beta/#comment-589323</link>
		<dc:creator>Way to go! &#124; PrimForge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2008-03-05 Johan Linden announced the Linux Viewer for Second Life as Beta. That means, the Linux Client now has the same feature set as Win and Mac, notably spatial Voice [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2008-03-05 Johan Linden announced the Linux Viewer for Second Life as Beta. That means, the Linux Client now has the same feature set as Win and Mac, notably spatial Voice [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HTML on a prim and other Second Life Updates &#8212; mrtopf.de</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/05/linux-client-turns-beta/#comment-588648</link>
		<dc:creator>HTML on a prim and other Second Life Updates &#8212; mrtopf.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Linux Client now turns beta, after being labeled alpha for years. This means also, that 3D Voice Support, Media playback thanks to GStreamer (I just met one of the GStreamer guys at FOSDEM btw and he mentioned it) and many other bugfixes are now available to Linux users, too. You can download it here. This is certainly good news, as Linden Lab is one of the few companies to also release a viewer for not only Mac OS but also Linux. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Linux Client now turns beta, after being labeled alpha for years. This means also, that 3D Voice Support, Media playback thanks to GStreamer (I just met one of the GStreamer guys at FOSDEM btw and he mentioned it) and many other bugfixes are now available to Linux users, too. You can download it here. This is certainly good news, as Linden Lab is one of the few companies to also release a viewer for not only Mac OS but also Linux. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SAIRUS</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/05/linux-client-turns-beta/#comment-588471</link>
		<dc:creator>SAIRUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant tell you i've been waiting for this for sometime now :))

Yessssss

This is Awesome  ..!!
Thank you all LL developers for taking care of us  Linux users  .

Keep up the great work :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant tell you i&#8217;ve been waiting for this for sometime now :))</p>
<p>Yessssss</p>
<p>This is Awesome  ..!!<br />
Thank you all LL developers for taking care of us  Linux users  .</p>
<p>Keep up the great work <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: linux23dragon</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/05/linux-client-turns-beta/#comment-588359</link>
		<dc:creator>linux23dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SL won't run on the Nokia n800 because it uses the ARM (RISC) processor/platform.  The SL Linux client is compiled only for the x86 (i686) platform.  If you have the source code, you could add code in SL to allow it to run on ARM Linux platforms, but you might need the N800 SDK stuff for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SL won&#8217;t run on the Nokia n800 because it uses the ARM (RISC) processor/platform.  The SL Linux client is compiled only for the x86 (i686) platform.  If you have the source code, you could add code in SL to allow it to run on ARM Linux platforms, but you might need the N800 SDK stuff for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Welles</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/05/linux-client-turns-beta/#comment-588306</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Welles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruadhri Otoole Says:

"@Tracy - Happy - perverse though it may seem - that the latest Windows client is a disaster, I thought they’d just screwed over Mac users. I crash 3 - 4 times per hour on Mac OS Tiger since the second to last release of the client."

Well I didn't mean to imply that I'm happy Windows client stinks. Just that the Linux client is quite nice.

"Unfortunately I run Linux and Windows in virtual machines, which makes it impossible for me to move to the Linux client for the moment :( One more incentive to dual boot with Linux on my MBP, I guess."

Actually, and nothing against virtual machine software (love it), the best way to configure for duel boot for longer term work is to not mess with the main boot track records during installation. Two identical physical drives partitioned to your needs is the best way. One drive for 
your Linux installation, one drive for your windows keeping the boot records separate on both drives. Then merely set up your bios to boot 
to the Linux drive grub boot track. All you have to add to your linux to 
boot windows is the following:

su root
vi  /etc/grub/menu.lst

Add this:
----------
title         Windows 95/98/NT/2000
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
root          (hd1,0)
#makeactive
chainloader   +1

This will boot your win drive via the grub prompt without having issues that you might encounter with the boot track sector on a single drive installation and serves purpose to allow for individual drive backup. This is how I set up business machines for duel boot.

Udo Says:

@Tracy: Graphics? You mean Photoshop? That runs like a charme with the newest version of wine ( Google paid for it ).

I've used wine for years and never been happy with it. Photoshop is a great program, have it, okay with it, but I've been using Ulead PhotoImpact for 10 years and am quite good in it. It's now owned by Corel. The output filters have been hugely improved. Thus the need for winblows for graphics.. I'm just not good enough in Gimp (which I am a fan), to use it as of this date.

-Tracy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruadhri Otoole Says:</p>
<p>&#8220;@Tracy - Happy - perverse though it may seem - that the latest Windows client is a disaster, I thought they’d just screwed over Mac users. I crash 3 - 4 times per hour on Mac OS Tiger since the second to last release of the client.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that I&#8217;m happy Windows client stinks. Just that the Linux client is quite nice.</p>
<p>&#8220;Unfortunately I run Linux and Windows in virtual machines, which makes it impossible for me to move to the Linux client for the moment <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> One more incentive to dual boot with Linux on my MBP, I guess.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, and nothing against virtual machine software (love it), the best way to configure for duel boot for longer term work is to not mess with the main boot track records during installation. Two identical physical drives partitioned to your needs is the best way. One drive for<br />
your Linux installation, one drive for your windows keeping the boot records separate on both drives. Then merely set up your bios to boot<br />
to the Linux drive grub boot track. All you have to add to your linux to<br />
boot windows is the following:</p>
<p>su root<br />
vi  /etc/grub/menu.lst</p>
<p>Add this:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
title         Windows 95/98/NT/2000<br />
map (hd0) (hd1)<br />
map (hd1) (hd0)<br />
root          (hd1,0)<br />
#makeactive<br />
chainloader   +1</p>
<p>This will boot your win drive via the grub prompt without having issues that you might encounter with the boot track sector on a single drive installation and serves purpose to allow for individual drive backup. This is how I set up business machines for duel boot.</p>
<p>Udo Says:</p>
<p>@Tracy: Graphics? You mean Photoshop? That runs like a charme with the newest version of wine ( Google paid for it ).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used wine for years and never been happy with it. Photoshop is a great program, have it, okay with it, but I&#8217;ve been using Ulead PhotoImpact for 10 years and am quite good in it. It&#8217;s now owned by Corel. The output filters have been hugely improved. Thus the need for winblows for graphics.. I&#8217;m just not good enough in Gimp (which I am a fan), to use it as of this date.</p>
<p>-Tracy</p>
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