New Viewer: Second Life 1.19.0 Viewer Now Available!
Thursday, February 28th, 2008 at 2:17 PM by: Bridie LindenAfter spending several weeks in Release Candidate status, the Second Life 1.19.0 Viewer is now available for download as the primary viewer from the Community: Downloads page. Many thanks to all of you who helped us find and fix issues along the way!
The Second Life 1.19.0 Viewer contains some important new features, changes and a ton of bug fixes. This release also addresses the QuickTime security issue identified back in December and updates the required version of QuickTime to 7.4. Read on!
New features and changes:
- Voice
- Voice Chat is now enabled by default to allow Residents to hear other Residents.
- A microphone is required to speak to other Residents.
- Push-to-Talk is the default mode for transmitting voice.
- Push-to-Talk is on by default. This means Resident mics are off by default.
- These settings can be modified via the Voice Chat tab of the Preferences dialog.
- Age Verification:
- The user interface for parcel and estate access has been clarified and improved.
- Added the ability to restrict access to parcels and estates to age verified adults.
- Removed the ability to *ban* access to Residents who have provided payment info or who have used payment info. We continue to support the ability to *allow* access to only those who have provided payment info.
- Crash Reporter
- The crash reporting mechanism has been improved. Following a crash, more useful information will be sent and reports should now take less than 10 seconds.
- VWR-210: Voice Support on Linux
- This is experimental, see README-linux-voice.txt for more information or discuss it in the Linux Client Testers forum
- Other changes:
- Change alert message that pops up when you set Busy
- Add “Teleporting from SLURL to SLURL” to the chat history to provide simple “back” links
- Print the name of the missing gesture in the error message
- Remove “New Account…” and “Preferences” buttons from login screen for 1.19.0
Complete 1.19.0 Release Notes available on the Second Life wiki. Please continue to report any new issues in the Issue Tracker and be sure to set “Affects Version/s” to 1.19.0.4.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:23 PM
“and updates the required version of QuickTime to 7.4″ How can you do this to people with Windows 2000? This version of Quicktime does not support Windows 2000. Looks like I’ll be staying on 1.18 based alternate clients for some time now.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:30 PM
“Voice Chat is now enabled by default to allow Residents to hear other Residents.”
This is an incredibly stupid move considering that the majority of residents don’t want voice, don’t use voice, and since you refuse to implement a way to see who’s talking without enabling voice themselves already are stuck leaving voice on and explaining that they don’t use it or be stuck essentially deaf and mute, I urge you to think about reverting this one, other than that with the exception of Quicktime with Win2k issue it’s some good changes.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:31 PM
So why on earth DID you remove the preferences button from the login screen? It was pretty useful for adjusting the settings before I log on because that way it was less likely to crash the client than changes made when already inworld. Grrrr.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:33 PM
@ #2 - agreed, that one is highly stupid, too. Will need to turn it off manually again. Hmpf. Hmpf.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Viewer update required and offering a download speed of 24 KB/s, meaning 45-50 minutes to download the 70 MB Mac client?!?!? Sometimes I just get veeery tired… Well, with previous experiences of upgrades, I guess that means I should at least be happy it’ll be close to an hour before all hell breaks loose on my poor computer…
February 28th, 2008 at 2:37 PM
That’s all fine and dandy. But is LL even working with Nvidia on the current issues with the latest drivers (Not beta)?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:40 PM
is this windlight or no?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:42 PM
@7 It doesn’t say windlight, it’s for the regular SL client.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:43 PM
yes too bad it took away the seperate shout button and took away the fps meter and made it all harder to use. *Sighs* be nice if the lindens would LISTEN to the customers instead of acting liek they knwo what we want, use and need mroe then we do. BTW the quicktime security bug was a monor thing fixed by quicktime themselves weeks ago!
For gods sake READ the stuf fyou took away
February 28th, 2008 at 2:46 PM
why complain here? doesn’t do any good. talking to the wall is so effective. don’t like voice? disable it on your sims and parcels and be done with it. then voice fans can’t use it there either.
show of hands by all who think anyone will actually read what you enter on the crash reports…..
How about some serious action related to content theft? seems to be much more important than shinies nobody asked for. DMCA takedown? np. the crooks just put it back out. LL needs to begin deleting the stolen items from the asset server and trace the stolen content hand-off activity from alt to alt and ban every one of them.
people who bought stolen skins need to walk about with missing image until they buy a legit product. and that stuff that was cheap because it was ripped and is not gone from inventory? go complain to the missing accounts that sold it.
me thinks certain sims that support content theft would be chock full of 100 campers with missing image skins. that would be priceless.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Removing the prefs button? So if I am offline and realize I wanted to clear my cache I need to login, set the pref, log out, then login again?
Age verification: can anyone give me a good rationale why anyone but the lindens even *want* this obscenity? I have a daughter in SL who would be affected by this. You you can bet I will be opting out of verifying my own age too.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:50 PM
They listen to their “selected” customers…….the brown nosed ones.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:53 PM
I think its a good idea to have voice default to on; among my circle we prefer to use it and I think its going to become the norm before loo long..
#2, where do you get your stats from, that “most” residents don’t want voice?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Voice chat enabled…preferences taken off the login screen…huh?
Who handed out the bad drugs to the person responsible for this *censored*.
@10 Why don’t you stick to your own advice and stop going on about content theft in each and every blog entry you post in?
I am as ticked off by it as you are but I gave up on tearing my hair out over this issue. Linden Labs is obviously not going to tackle it - or at least it’s at the bottom of their ‘to-do list’
February 28th, 2008 at 2:54 PM
@3 the preferences are still there, only rearranged! You can still get them at the login screen from the Edit menu or with Ctrl-P.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:54 PM
@11: “I need to login, set the pref, log out, then login again?”
No, it’s still in the menu. So you can get to it, it’s just less convenient. If I didn’t need to use it so much because of crashes, I’d almost say it wasn’t a big deal.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Preferences can STILL be accessed. They hid it away under the EDIT menu. Also, you can hit CTRL-P and open preferences as normal.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:58 PM
preferences is still on the login screen. look in the edit menu
February 28th, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Voice by default & no sign of WL going mainstream -|_-
February 28th, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Thanks for NOTHING. Friends list is a wreck. Buttons moved/changed. Some things needed to be fixed yes…but haven’t you ever heard that if something is NOT broke DON’T fix it. It was bad enough on the one update that made the im window so big and a royal pain. Now you have to change other things with it.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:10 PM
I wish some of the ‘moaners’ here would actually download the client, look at it, use it and find out where stuff is before shouting drivel from the rooftops. Preferences can be found on the log in screen under edit. Voice if not configured upon first entering the new client will automatically give you the option to disable it. Most of the changes in this client have been previewed in Release Candidates and Windlight so have been tested and used by a fair sized number of users.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Also, where are the changes to group chat that 1.19 was supposed to have?
February 28th, 2008 at 3:13 PM
@Tater
Maybe all the surveys or all the tens of thousands of residents that stated various palces ont he blog WE DONT WANT IT
February 28th, 2008 at 3:17 PM
I’m glad for the updates, happy voice is automatically enabled… been a voice beta fan all along
and i’m not fond of windlight… would rather it never materialize.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Here’s one good thing: At least I have the blog to read before I decide if I (DON’T) want to DL the new viewer.
I think it’s absurd, truthfully, to put so much work in to releasing “RC’s” , collecting and encouraging jiras, and then releasing a feature-poor. They rearrange buttons and hide menus, and that’s called “progress”. Hah.
@#12 Yup. Their friends, i.e. people who are friendly with lindens. This has been a persistent problem all along. I swear, the only two useful lindens seem to be Joshua and Andrew, Josh for his great posts about the furure of SL and Andrew for being accesible and actaully answerig IM’s when he gets online.
Otherwise it seems like a** kissing is what they seek. Did Cory get fired cause he didnt pucker up hard enough, Phil? Or perhaps he left because he *wouldn’t*. Food for though.
/me logs in with the old client until bugs are REALLY fixed
February 28th, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Just read this is compulsary….. now i have Lag causing chat as standared.
Have you listened to any complaints or the surveys you have done
February 28th, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Sorry for the double post - this viewer is REQUIRED?!?!?!?
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
oh - @21 - Umm, dont you think they alreayd HAVE downloaded it and used it? Shuffling things around too much is POOR UI DESIGN if users familiar with the product suddenly have a hard time using it after updating. When they moved the freinds list I HATED the new layout - and I still do.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Its all about the music and the stream. Music came in intermittently at first.. now it is gone, man, gone. Yes I have the latest QuickTime…. why do i fall into these update traps?
February 28th, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Remember to turn off voice before logging in folks
it crashed me the first time on 
Freered, use an external player like Winamp or something, I am not too computer savvy but a few artists told me what to do, it’s easy
February 28th, 2008 at 3:56 PM
I like the fact that I’m once again able to have Local Chat as a tab in-line with my IM windows using the dock windows command. Finally.
I’m not sure enabling voice by default was needed - people who like it would probably do it themselves.
I’m definitely sure Age Verification wasn’t wanted by most - I’m not going to do more to walk around here than I would have to do to access playboy or any other internet site. But, I guess after 1.5 years of constant unwavering devotion to putting it in, I’m not surprised to see it.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:57 PM
I never download these things. I stick with the release candidates, at least those have the latest whatever on them.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:00 PM
I had problem with download new viewer.Afther 5 times I success.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:03 PM
I didnt dl the new mac version and can login fine-my partner got the new XP viewer and now can’t login at all-anyone know what do do about this?
February 28th, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Installed, logged on and rezzed into the Morris sandbox…
saw two large white walls on either side of me, determined they were
the connecting sims’ “sides”… *sigh*.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:07 PM
@33 - try a dif virtual world, send your partner your handle there…
3 logins no success editing linked sets (yes i ticked the “Edit Linked Parts”…) gotta love progress…
February 28th, 2008 at 4:07 PM
I just logged in and didn’t get a mandatory new viewer update message. I am currently in world on Second Life 1.18.5 (3) Nov 28 2007 13:59:53 (Second Life Release) ???
February 28th, 2008 at 4:09 PM
@28 freereed: streaming audio doesn’t use quicktime, that’s only streaming video.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:10 PM
@36 Jannae … hold it… don’t TP… don’t rez anything… just sit tight and call all your friends to you…
/me *shrugs*… frustrated wtf did they messup this time? :O lolol
February 28th, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Oh I can’t turn voice chat on or off, it’s all greyed out…:(
February 28th, 2008 at 4:17 PM
I always hold off from downloading any updated viewer purely because of the problems that I know will ensue. Now I find I couldn’t log on without having the new update and sure enough…..problems almost immediately! Within the first 5 minutes I crashed. No biggy, happens now and then so I try and log again and I’m met with….log out process has begun, so I wait, try again, then I am timed out for 15 mins but knowing this isn’t always the case I keep trying and voila I’m back in within 2 minutes, just enough time to fly 6m and once again crash and burn a second time! What am I supposed to do LL, log in and just play statues?
February 28th, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Are new alt accounts not allowed? There’s no way to add one now from what I can see…
February 28th, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Thank you #37…
February 28th, 2008 at 4:21 PM
I am having problem of downloading the new verison 1.19.04.I keep getting an error message while it is instaling.What is wrong?
Error opening file for writing:
C:\Program/SecondLife\app_setting\mozilla\components\xulutil.dll
February 28th, 2008 at 4:24 PM
P.S.
Cleared the cache and all looks well now.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:26 PM
crashing alot, and is age verfication live now?
February 28th, 2008 at 4:41 PM
Just the requisite thank you. I know while you folks will have to slog through a lot of upset people, there are some that are still happy. would have perfered the perfs button to stay put but still happy.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:42 PM
On the bright side, that’s a *LOT* of big fixes. Thanks for that
February 28th, 2008 at 4:42 PM
“We continue to support the ability to *allow* access to only those who have provided payment info.” Yep Yep…im a bum i know it,but i create content atleast.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Is age verification live now? If so I think your close to loosing quite a few customers.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:49 PM
This looks like an intermediate release to the Dazzle viewer.
What I hate about that one and I hate about this one is that my Friends list *never* loads. No matter how long I am online, it always says “(waiting)”. What a POS this viewer is!
Bring back the Preferences button!
Make voice chat opt-in, not opt-out! Better yet, get rid of it altogether.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:51 PM
The majority of people do use voice. you people who don’t use it think the majority don’t use it cuz you have no clue who uses it because when you don’t use it you cant see and hear everyone who does use it.
everyone i know uses voice everyday.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:58 PM
@25 bringsup many good point. In the past it was thought as to release “LESS” client updat patches then what is now sadly occuring….. Jira is at times people ego of ” HEY Lets vote on the fix” because i found a bug bla bla bla bla bla…….Well More times then not those bugs are user side and not either LL server side of client side. shakeshead. We need a better effective and less human resource consuming system. Andrew Linden seems to be the better of the two these days…..as for really helping..
February 28th, 2008 at 5:07 PM
“51 OMG VOICE Says:
February 28th, 2008 at 4:51 PM PST
The majority of people do use voice. you people who don’t use it think the majority don’t use it cuz you have no clue who uses it because when you don’t use it you cant see and hear everyone who does use it.
What applies to you don`t ally to the whole sl user base……..I know because check to see if users are really using voice. And more times then not they don`t. Have a nice day
everyone i know uses voice everyday.”
Oh really? Think again……..not even half if not 3/4 of the people i run intoi use voice on sl. Oh they know how to use it more then you think. But frankly people don`t want to have major drops in FPS rates.
February 28th, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Re: new release
very poor performance, has-rendering issues, ground disaperes when moving at certain angles. there’s a whole new series of serious memory leaks.
Tons of lag as a resualt, what is very fustrating about all this is LL continues to push viewers that don’t work on older computers, and continues to ignore the comments made by most residents on performance issues.
LL is putting aesthetics and features above performance and stability.
Windlight currently works better then the main viewer.
Time and Time again I continue to post my system stats and system logs for lindens to view and time and time again nothing is being done.
Every time new viewers are pushed out they come with new memory leaks, performance problems rendering problems and stability issues.
It is clear to me that LL is catering ONLY to newer high performance computers and the concierge elites wile the rest of us get screwed.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:01 PM
@21 Neon: You write “Voice if not configured upon first entering the new client will automatically give you the option to disable it.”
WRONG. I had voice turned off and it turned it on without giving me any say in the matter.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:05 PM
@51 “OMG Voice”: I have been trying to get THAT situation fixed since the first voice betas.
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1317
If you want people to stop saying that “nobody uses voice”, then vote for this so that the ones who don’t use voice can see who does! Sheesh!
February 28th, 2008 at 6:10 PM
* Grid stability and performance - teleports fail quite regularly, especially under heavy load. Attachments end up in places they did not start out in, and sim performance varies wildly. None of this makes for a very pleasant experience for users. Long promised improvement to physics and scripting would help dramatically to reduce these problems, but there are a lot of other scalability issues as well.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:13 PM
Well, I’m sticking to Windlight. It’s never given me a “Smartheap library, out of memory” when I only had 700M out of 2G used. Bleagh.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:14 PM
#48 > I’m a bummer content creator too. Can’t even use JIRA to report bugs the proper way. “Open Source, sure, but give us your credit card number first.”
February 28th, 2008 at 6:21 PM
What is the thinking behind having voice on by default? I’m glad you’ve actually put it in the notes now, I’m just wondering why it’s so important to change the prefs like that rather than leave them how they were before.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:22 PM
Many many questions about this so far but….
AGE VERIFICATION has been live for more then a month now… just so you all know.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:51 PM
This viewer created a kernel panic on my MacBook Pro. Looks like this viewer hasn’t been fully tested. And what’s the story with the release keys button still appearing in this viewer?
February 28th, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Umm, does anyone know how to get 1.19 to load my friends list? I have tried clearing the cache and restarting.
Frustrating, someone else here did not have to update so didn’t …. and does not have the friends list loading problem.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:04 PM
I’ve noticed a lot more lag after getting this viewer installed. Memory leak is still present, attachments keep getting dumped between logins, and having to turn voice off upon install is a minor annoyance. Can anyone tell me if the guys at LL are ex-SOE employees… the way they keep ‘fixing’ things feels like it’s got Smedley involvement…
February 28th, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Hmm, I don’t seem to have the problems others are describing here. In fact, I think this new viewer looks pretty good. I especially like the small icons in the top of the screen (’no building/script’ icons are more intuitive) and the new chat and communication buttons below.
And yes, voice-chat ON by default is somewhat unnecessary, but you can easily disable it in Prefs and it won’t come back. And I missed the Preferences button too on login, but I can access it in the Edit menu, so it’s fine by me.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:22 PM
I have only read some of th comments, but I think I am going to be VERY SAD when I cannot got to Preferences without a logging on. I will not be downloading until I have no choice.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Remove “New Account…” and “Preferences” buttons from login screen for 1.19.0
Bad Idea. I often find the need to tune back the graphics setting after crashing from a real laggy sim. Sometimes that’s the only way to get back in at all.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:44 PM
@67 Zen: Preferences is still available under “Edit” before login, it’s just not a button any more.
@Bridie Linden: I’ve seen several people making similar comments, perhaps the post could be updated to note that the ability to edit your preferences before login isn’t being removed.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:46 PM
OH NO!!! Why did they have to REMOVE the check boxes for AVs ACCESS AND BAN perms in the land options!!! I NEED to toggle this on/off often on my land and now i have to re-enter every name! thats REALLY stupid. This is a HUGE problem! Godammit! what’s wrong with LL?
Oh btw, my friends list has been borked for other two hours now…reloging didnt help at all.
Prime
Mood: angry and disapointed
February 28th, 2008 at 9:58 PM
It seems that you have gotten me, at least, to better session stability with this update! Bravo! And, I can walk a bit better as well. However, the friends list not loading, and very slow service of group information from the communicate thingie are a problem…. I am just trying to understand how things can be released with those kinds of functionality problems… I am sure you are all indexing and cataloging the builds, and have someone doing version control. I am puzzled, but it seems things might be heading in the right direction. This viewer feels more comfy.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:17 PM
One can wonder WHY none of the hot, issues in changes buggfiles under RC0, and so on didn’t get any fixed before the release. Like IM tab flashes, voice not default on. etc.
February 29th, 2008 at 12:06 AM
“Remove “New Account…” button from login screen for 1.19.0″
YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was happy to see it removed when the updated happen two weeks ago. It didnt have any business there to start with.
February 29th, 2008 at 12:56 AM
I am so fed up with reading the negative responses that so many people write on here. It seems to have become the norm to whinge, be rude and generally complain about everything to do with Second Life.
Reflect on the fact that everything in SL is at the cutting edge of a totally new technology, and enjoy the fact that you are part of it, warts and all.
If you could all have visited Second Life three years ago, you wouldn’t believe the quantum leaps that have been made in that time to every aspect of the experience.
Every single week something is updated and / or improved, so please, please start enjoying the very many positives we have.
One of the most common gripes is that the Lindens don’t respond often enough. Is it any wonder when you all throw up a huge wall of negativity whenever you have the opportunity to express your views?
February 29th, 2008 at 1:04 AM
Ladies and Gents,
My friends list is now officially permanently borked…Havent been able to see any of my friends since i installed this….thing….
As well, you now CANNOT have group only access without also giving access to the list of Allowed Residents…So you can have public, or group with Allowed Residents, but NOT group only unless you delete the allowed residents…If someone knows why, please enlighten me…
Cheers,
Prime
February 29th, 2008 at 1:06 AM
Nothing unexpected changed in this client release - maybe those who are quick to complain should get involved with the release client testing and feedback. Release clients are there to gather feedback prior to mass rollout so that certain features can be changed - not paying attention to the release clients and then bemoaning LL for changing things without any warning is a little pointless.
February 29th, 2008 at 1:22 AM
@75, Tan
Nothing new, your right all the complain in design from 1.18RC and 1.19RC series are still in the viewer, there are tons of nice undo changes in the JIRA, http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-305 even paying attentions to RC and giving feedback don’t seam to work, looks like alternative viewers are the only solution. At least some kind of solutions to the hottest miss in the first voice viewer finally made it it, Friend don’t have to be in the communication window, not it’s only to separate friends and groups left and we are back is good as that was 6 months ago.
February 29th, 2008 at 1:29 AM
To be honest there are three really unpopular changes in this release that been complained about, default voice on (54 votes), blinking IM tabs (94), Age verification (countless blogs and comments here on how bad it works.)
Rest of the stuff is good, but adding some hugely unpopular changes with loads of constructive criticism well out before, is going to give massive negative feedback once it’s hits the release.
February 29th, 2008 at 1:47 AM
Laughs at mike…………….”If you could all have visited Second Life three years ago, you wouldn’t believe the quantum leaps that have been made in that time to every aspect of the experience.
I was here. I tell you one thing love we had alot of problems them but think about the scale now. we have 12 million population. and then we had 30,000 population. You would things would increase inthe Pos direction “AT LEAST 30% right? WRONG! We are more bakwards then forwards now. So Nice try but it really doesnt apply
February 29th, 2008 at 2:33 AM
“…adding some hugely unpopular changes with loads of constructive criticism well out before, is going to give massive negative feedback…”
The Sun Kings don´t care. The upcoming competitors do. And what happened to the Sun Kings?
February 29th, 2008 at 2:35 AM
@55 Agent Stonecutter: You wrote: -
“@21 Neon: You write “Voice if not configured upon first entering the new client will automatically give you the option to disable it.”
WRONG. I had voice turned off and it turned it on without giving me any say in the matter.”
Actually I am not. You think I made that up? Unlike some of the whiners here I have actually downloaded the new client and played with it. Upon entering SL the first thing I was requested to do was configure voice. From that dialogue box I was able to turn voice off.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:41 AM
“Release clients are there to gather feedback prior to mass rollout.”
So the grande SL experience is a huge alpha and beta test program? I always suspected this.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:51 AM
“I am so fed up with reading the negative responses that so many people write on here.”
Then leave SL. Out of 10 people in-world 8 are bringing up exactly the same complains. This here only reflects what´s going on in-world. It are not the fabulous “cutting edge” (MySQL is CUTTING EDGE???) improvements by LL which keep this going. It is only a lack of competition and the ability/dedication of the human being to overcome almost every kind of difficulty.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:07 AM
@80 Actually I am not. You think I made that up? Unlike some of the whiners here I have actually downloaded the new client and played with it. Upon entering SL the first thing I was requested to do was configure voice. From that dialogue box I was able to turn voice off.
For those of us who turned it off in the relaese candidate viewers It turns it on without asking. You are both correct. and the rest of the problems are mainly server related, ie. friends list etc, I have had that problem in all versions lately not just this one.
One great improvement is not having to stop animations befor TP’ing. Now all we need is to make TP work 100% rather or change the name from TP to random Logoff
Generaly I like the new client, and I think most will get used to it in time, change is always hard at first.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:23 AM
“I think most will get used to it in time.”
If you take a closer look at the statistics LL faked by themselves you´ll notice (even there) that more of their paying customers are leaving SL than new paying customers sign up. Not to mention the 90 percent of “first look” users who never return after a week of excessive betatesting the latest cutting edge release. The remaining so called “active” rest is simply tired of talking against walls and only waits for an able competitor to come up. In fact, i do not know any comparable software developer who openly lets people pay a monthly fee for testing alpha and beta software.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:14 AM
Valid points Vivienne
As I have taken two slots, I may as well use it. Please refer to Jira Issues http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1317 and http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1994 if you have any thing to “say” (pun intended) on the voice issue. As it is being forced on us, lets at least get votes for the tools to help us manage it.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:49 AM
Before I downloaded this version I had a friends list now they seem to be in waiting all the time
February 29th, 2008 at 7:35 AM
WHAT A HOOT! LOL
“Voice automatically enabled, so residents can hear voice speakers”
DUH! makes total sense. Microphone is still required to speak and press-to-talk is on by default. All you geniuses that proclaim voice is a failure and the ‘majority’ never use it - back-up your argument. Show me the metric data to prove. Boneheds.If you don’t like it, turn it off. if you own land, turn it off. Go ahead and punish those who do use voice, just because YOU don’t like it. You sound like you should be in politics.
Preferences before logging-in: press CTRL+P to bring it up. What I’d like to see is a logout menu option - so I don’t have to fully exit the application when I need to relog.
@ Ann RE: Content Theft… It’s gonna happen. Deal with it. SL is big enough that you won’t starve because of it. yes, it’s wrong. So how about YOU do something about it, rather than expecting the Lindens to, yet complaining that they are too judgmental and ‘cops’ in other things. Either you’ll rely on them for everything or nothing. Make up our minds, please. You sound like a broken record and expect Linden Lab to be selective in their enforcement and ‘protecting you’.
This is a good release.
Contrary to all the rants and venting - SL *does* get *better* as we go. Can’t wait for “released” WindLight on top of Mono and Havok 4
February 29th, 2008 at 7:46 AM
Oh yes - THANK YOU Lindens for turning ON ID Verification (when the hell did it ever become known as “age” verification? LOL)
WHY would I want it?
If you aren’t verified, then I don’t need or want you on my sim. Less likely to end-up with bonehead griefers that way. Been waiting to flip the switch all this time for the first release viewer to fully support it.
February 29th, 2008 at 7:48 AM
“Age verification: can anyone give me a good rationale why anyone but the lindens even *want* this obscenity?”
Yes to hold people accountable for their actions.
To keep underage kids out of these Illegal and against the Terms of Service forced fantasy Sims who creating risk for the people who have huge investments. .
To keep people who are frauds from hiding behind anonymous accounts to steal content or money from people who have put a lot of time and hard work into their creations, only to have copied and stolen by someone in an anonymous account.
To keep griefers from coming back in a new account once they have been banned from Second Life.
The mass exidious from Second Life will not be from the people out here who are legitimate with nothing to hide; it will be the people who do not belong out here to begin with.
February 29th, 2008 at 7:59 AM
Here are two links I have used to report the presence of this illegal activity with underage people in Second Life that may be helpful if Linden Labs decides to turn a blind eye on this matter.
Face it, these children do not belong on the adult grid and are doing nothing but creating problems for the rest of us.
I have put to much time and money into Second Life to have it all taken away by these children being out here creating a liability for the rest of us.
It is time to make a stand and do something about it.
http://www.virtualglobaltaskforce.com/
https://tips.fbi.gov/
February 29th, 2008 at 8:22 AM
All Windows2000 users: I’ve configured a copy of the latest Quicktime installer so that it SHOULD install on 2K, but I don’t have a copy of 2K lying around to see if it works or not. If anyone would like to help me test this, please IM McCabe Maxsted inworld.
February 29th, 2008 at 8:31 AM
[...] to live and act and be allowed as I see fit.That’s a common theme in the talkbacks on the LL blog post about the new veiwer. What ridiculous bunk. This viewer includes the voice feature turned on by default. The purpose to [...]
February 29th, 2008 at 9:10 AM
@88, @89 To bad the only way to get age (ID) verified (age verified being the original LL name for the feature). I to make a google search for drivers licence. No legal documents from Swedish people get thou the verifications system, to send the requested information to LL/Aristotile is probably illegal, (not yet tested in court). For LL to handle the information needs special permission from the Swedish goverment (something I’m sure they don’t have).
There are many reson the current age verification can’t work, trying to hide behind it as some kind of legal protections is foolish.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:14 AM
Many voices raised already, but still I’ll join in the cry:
What stupid thought made the Lindens believe all wanted the ‘Voice’ on by default?
Digital freedom my A—!! Linden//US double Morale, that is what it is!
This is Lindengulag, and worsening all the time.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:24 AM
Who cares about the voice feature? The few long-distance-phonecall freaks who actually use it on a regular schedule may use it, as long as i am not forced to listen to their vocal state of expression. I only want this light bulb over my head turned off . I am not interested in knowing who else loves to phone, nor do i want anyone else to know if i phone. If i do not respond a phone onvitation on spite of that bulb it should be sign enough that i prefer not to phone.
Just get rid of it. Marking of people because of ability and attitude should be somthing buried deep in the darkest closet of human history.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:36 AM
what is up with the new viewer again today, with no post about it either. Downloaded yesterday, spent all the time re adjusting my preferences, and today, another 1. Come on now!!! Will some1 get their head on straight. At least post a blog to explain. Yet another situation where the customer is left scratching their head.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:57 AM
“To keep underage kids out of these Illegal and against the Terms of Service forced fantasy Sims who creating risk for the people who have huge investments. .”
The system in place won’t do that and free signups are still available.
“To keep people who are frauds from hiding behind anonymous accounts”
The system in place won’t do that and free signups are still available.
“To keep griefers from coming back in a new account once they have been banned from Second Life.”
The system in place won’t do that and free signups are still available.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:27 AM
For anyone who was concerned about the voice chat preferences not being preserved when upgrading from 1.18.x viewers, please see today’s blog for information on the fix.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Shame I didn’t see the information yesterday about the needed update before I actually updated
Hey ho, there are a lot of fixes in this client.
February 29th, 2008 at 12:37 PM
@ 73
Yes cutting edg technology, lets see ,
Lag, chat lag, texture latency, Friends list often borked,
Low FPS, memory leaks galore, various crashes, random log outs, viewer hangs, sim crashes. TP failures, and log in failures. This is sL’s cutting edge technology.
How come World of War craft doesn’t do that?
February 29th, 2008 at 12:45 PM
What friends are online…who knows…I’ve uninstalled and reinstalled the new version 4x’s…still NO friends list. And it’s so nice now with the little check boxes beside where the name would be…get a little distraced and *poof* someone can now map you or you’re online or not to them.
But then with it NOT working…who cares. You don’t know who they are anyway.
Otherwise, I guess it’s alright. Wish they had left the buttons alone and not move them.
Anyone have the old version? The installer part? Send it to me. I’ll take the old version back. PLEASE
February 29th, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Just gonna say here - I initially had a few problems yesterday, but after a forced update (!) I’m all hunky dory. No problems.
On the voice issue, well - Some people talk or make noises with their mouths. That’s cool. Some people want to listen to that. That, too, is cool. Having it on as a default isn’t really a big deal to me once I know it is so and can toggle it at whim.
But I would suggest having the preferences come up on installation instead. Key things like that may make people less angry when stuff changes, allow them to feel that they have some control of what runs on their computer as well as their experience of Second Life.
I’d fill out a JIRA on that, but frankly - that is common sense design, and should not be something any user should have to mention.
February 29th, 2008 at 1:48 PM
@98 Jeska Linden: THANK YOU!
February 29th, 2008 at 1:56 PM
[...] more information you can check out the SecondLife 1.19.0 release notes, as well as the original release announcement (and the comments from the users), as well as the announcement that1.19.0.5 has been quickly [...]
February 29th, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Get your SH1T together LL. - first you mess up a client demo for me and are now making me late for another - on the same fricking day. Get some real QA happening please.
February 29th, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Does this have anything to do with the regions being different…everytime i tp somewhere i get a message telling me that this sim is running on a different server or some such babble…rather annoying everytime i go somewhere.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Thank you for finally fixing the fact that Voice ignores our settings. It’s too bad that so many RC’s came out since it was first reported before it could get fixed, but at least it finally got fixed. Now hopefully once we tell the viewer that we don’t want to use Voice it will be remembered. At least until the regression hits.
/me goes outside, turns, curses and spits. It froze.
But I’m still hoping someone will let us know in the bog exactly what transpired that Voice went from being a deliberate opt-in to needing to be opted out from. Most of the kvetching about the change probably comes down to the fact that we didn’t get communication from LL it was coming, let alone why. Remember how we praised you all for being more up front and transparent with your users/residents? In this case? Not so much.
March 1st, 2008 at 12:45 AM
I’m a user of SL voice so @2 y