Comments on: Knowledge Base Article of the Week: Getting Some Me (You?) Time http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/ By Linden Lab Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:52:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Sean Heying http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-561501 Sean Heying Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:28:47 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-561501 > "The differences in height-effectiveness for the Access and Ban tabs came about as a result of a large volume of complaints from Residents who simply wanted to fly over (and through) land to which they weren’t explicitly granted access." Gosh, how many people fly between sims compared to how many people have skyboxes? > "I’d imagine, then, that if you want to have a private room that’s in the sky, you’re stuck with keeping it at or below 50m. It’s not ideal, but we literally cannot please everybody." Another statement that PROVES you never use SL, not only did you not know that access didn't stretch to heaven like you say in a KB article but you think a skybox at 50M above mean ground is OK? LOL I would love that access group only was like ban to heaven, who cares about planes, you can't fly or travel between sims anyway. Those days stopped 4 years go, probably when "the vast majority of residents" wanted planes. Those days before direct TP when Teleports were forced. Time for a rethink... or maybe another option... on private estates make the access group go to infinity, after all there are covenants on estates when ban lines can't be used. I would love to set one of my three sims to access my group only. > “The differences in height-effectiveness for the Access and Ban tabs came about as a result of a large volume of complaints from Residents who simply wanted to fly over (and through) land to which they weren’t explicitly granted access.”

Gosh, how many people fly between sims compared to how many people have skyboxes?

> “I’d imagine, then, that if you want to have a private room that’s in the sky, you’re stuck with keeping it at or below 50m. It’s not ideal, but we literally cannot please everybody.”

Another statement that PROVES you never use SL, not only did you not know that access didn’t stretch to heaven like you say in a KB article but you think a skybox at 50M above mean ground is OK?

LOL

I would love that access group only was like ban to heaven, who cares about planes, you can’t fly or travel between sims anyway. Those days stopped 4 years go, probably when “the vast majority of residents” wanted planes. Those days before direct TP when Teleports were forced.

Time for a rethink… or maybe another option… on private estates make the access group go to infinity, after all there are covenants on estates when ban lines can’t be used.

I would love to set one of my three sims to access my group only.

]]> By: Very Keynes http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560254 Very Keynes Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:00:58 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560254 Wow, great debate all, lots of constructive comment and 99.9% on topic :) I won’t add my request list, as every point has already been covered and, I am sure that Jon is listening (one of the few that does). I chimed in to add that I have several Alt’s, not good for the economics stats, but the best way to get privacy, and it has got to the stage that my main account is for working and one of my alts is my main account for socialising. SL is almost self-indused Schizophrenia :) I defiantly back the call for better privacy options, as it is it works for me, but I pity newcomers who build a business and a social life with only one account and no one to advise them in advance. Wow, great debate all, lots of constructive comment and 99.9% on topic :)
I won’t add my request list, as every point has already been covered and, I am sure that Jon is listening (one of the few that does).
I chimed in to add that I have several Alt’s, not good for the economics stats, but the best way to get privacy, and it has got to the stage that my main account is for working and one of my alts is my main account for socialising. SL is almost self-indused Schizophrenia :) I defiantly back the call for better privacy options, as it is it works for me, but I pity newcomers who build a business and a social life with only one account and no one to advise them in advance.

]]> By: Yngwie Krogstad http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560229 Yngwie Krogstad Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:27:29 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560229 @75..... It is true that they're logged according to the name of the sender. But have you changed your settings in that folder to sort by date instead of by name? This forces the most recently modified files to the very bottom of the list. Just jump down there and you've got all your new messages available. I know Windoze has this feature, and I can only assume it's also available on the Mac and Linux systems. @75…..

It is true that they’re logged according to the name of the sender. But have you changed your settings in that folder to sort by date instead of by name? This forces the most recently modified files to the very bottom of the list. Just jump down there and you’ve got all your new messages available. I know Windoze has this feature, and I can only assume it’s also available on the Mac and Linux systems.

]]> By: Stephe Ehrler http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560216 Stephe Ehrler Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:18:55 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560216 I find much of this comical. If you really want to go into "Not answering the phone" mode, just ignore any IM's being sent just like you do when you don't answer the phone at home! Most people are smart enough to realize; if they send you an IM and you don't respond, you're either busy or AFK and they go do something else. If they refuse to understand, then maybe you need some new friends? We aren't talking about ignoring someone for weeks here... As far as 'privacy', just don't give people your RL info if you're going to do things in SL that you want to keep "private" :-) If you -need- to do some things you don't want associated with your main AV, (O.o) get yourself an alt. Maybe I just am not shy or don't care what people think of me but I just don't see the big deal here. All I've done is made a -Float text- tag for my avie that says "I'm busy working, please leave an IM", no one has complained or thought that is rude. Most people again are smart enough to understand that you are busy working when they read that :-) IMHO asking for some sort of total privacy with redundant backups of messages in case of a crash with automated responces etc is just MORE *fluff*. People tell SL to stop adding features and to fix bug, but then at the exact same time are telling them to add features? The only thing I do see as being strange is why does the system return offered inventory in busy mode? I think that should be removed then most people could just set busy mode without a concern and use something that is already in place but this sure isn't a problem like the "side six" texture bug I've been dealing with for over a year is! Stephe Ehrler I find much of this comical. If you really want to go into “Not answering the phone” mode, just ignore any IM’s being sent just like you do when you don’t answer the phone at home! Most people are smart enough to realize; if they send you an IM and you don’t respond, you’re either busy or AFK and they go do something else. If they refuse to understand, then maybe you need some new friends? We aren’t talking about ignoring someone for weeks here…

As far as ‘privacy’, just don’t give people your RL info if you’re going to do things in SL that you want to keep “private” :-) If you -need- to do some things you don’t want associated with your main AV, (O.o) get yourself an alt. Maybe I just am not shy or don’t care what people think of me but I just don’t see the big deal here.

All I’ve done is made a -Float text- tag for my avie that says “I’m busy working, please leave an IM”, no one has complained or thought that is rude. Most people again are smart enough to understand that you are busy working when they read that :-)

IMHO asking for some sort of total privacy with redundant backups of messages in case of a crash with automated responces etc is just MORE *fluff*. People tell SL to stop adding features and to fix bug, but then at the exact same time are telling them to add features?

The only thing I do see as being strange is why does the system return offered inventory in busy mode? I think that should be removed then most people could just set busy mode without a concern and use something that is already in place but this sure isn’t a problem like the “side six” texture bug I’ve been dealing with for over a year is!

Stephe Ehrler

]]> By: Darling Sieyes http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560215 Darling Sieyes Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:17:22 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560215 ...for those of us who like to work...needing concentration...if sure would be kool if we could share our non transferrable objects with an alt...this alt can be our worker alt, not making friends, not joining groups except those which we know we wont be disturbed in the middle of a project...this way, we could schedule our work, social, play, etc...times... …for those of us who like to work…needing concentration…if sure would be kool if we could share our non transferrable objects with an alt…this alt can be our worker alt, not making friends, not joining groups except those which we know we wont be disturbed in the middle of a project…this way, we could schedule our work, social, play, etc…times…

]]> By: Killashandra Falta http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560207 Killashandra Falta Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:06:24 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560207 @63 & 64 Say no to IMs... to join the fight, IM you? Ummm.... Isn't that kinda... against your own point? @63 & 64 Say no to IMs… to join the fight, IM you? Ummm…. Isn’t that kinda… against your own point?

]]> By: Amanda Ascot http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560183 Amanda Ascot Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:32:10 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560183 Brieanne @62: Ummm ... bad idea for some of us. I manage a sim. I frequently do it from my own skybox at 700 meters, rather than walking around on the surface. I *need* to be able to cam to any point in the sim, and even select objects (or avatars, for that matter) at any distance, build, move things ... basically carry out business without moving from my position. Limiting camming at any altitude would break this capability for many of us who need it for legitimate purposes. This is in the same category as banning megaprims and push scripts. Yes, there are things in SL that can be used for bad purposes, but we still need their functionality. The bottom line is that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in Second Life. Don't do anything, or say anything in open chat, that you don't want other people observing. It's that simple. I have an alt that almost nobody knows about. It's the only way I can get online and get *work* done without being deluged by IMs, TPs, and people popping in on me to visit. It's a royal PITA keeping my main avatar inventory in sync with this one, and some things -- expensive building/scripting tools make it impossible to do completely. We shouldn't have to submit a request to the jira for an "offline" status function. This is such a no-brainer that I can't believe it's not already part of the system. Actually, I'll take that back. I can believe it. Lindens don't have to deal with these issues. They have the ability to make themselves *completely* invisible in Godmode -- they don't even show up on avatar radars. In other words, they have no idea, themselves, just how annoying it can be when you want some "me time" and can't get it. They've never had to experience the situation. Brieanne @62: Ummm … bad idea for some of us. I manage a sim. I frequently do it from my own skybox at 700 meters, rather than walking around on the surface. I *need* to be able to cam to any point in the sim, and even select objects (or avatars, for that matter) at any distance, build, move things … basically carry out business without moving from my position. Limiting camming at any altitude would break this capability for many of us who need it for legitimate purposes. This is in the same category as banning megaprims and push scripts. Yes, there are things in SL that can be used for bad purposes, but we still need their functionality. The bottom line is that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in Second Life. Don’t do anything, or say anything in open chat, that you don’t want other people observing. It’s that simple.

I have an alt that almost nobody knows about. It’s the only way I can get online and get *work* done without being deluged by IMs, TPs, and people popping in on me to visit. It’s a royal PITA keeping my main avatar inventory in sync with this one, and some things — expensive building/scripting tools make it impossible to do completely.

We shouldn’t have to submit a request to the jira for an “offline” status function. This is such a no-brainer that I can’t believe it’s not already part of the system. Actually, I’ll take that back. I can believe it. Lindens don’t have to deal with these issues. They have the ability to make themselves *completely* invisible in Godmode — they don’t even show up on avatar radars. In other words, they have no idea, themselves, just how annoying it can be when you want some “me time” and can’t get it. They’ve never had to experience the situation.

]]> By: Mimi http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560165 Mimi Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:05:20 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560165 @74 all IMs are logged ut are in aphabetical order.. this means having to read through hundreds of notecards.. if they are captured at all on a complete crash. @74 all IMs are logged ut are in aphabetical order.. this means having to read through hundreds of notecards.. if they are captured at all on a complete crash.

]]> By: 2k Suisei http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560147 2k Suisei Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:46:54 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560147 @73 Ric: There's an option to log all IMs to your hard drive. It's far from ideal. But it's not as bad as it sounds. If enabled, each avatar that contacts you has their very own log file. @73 Ric: There’s an option to log all IMs to your hard drive. It’s far from ideal. But it’s not as bad as it sounds. If enabled, each avatar that contacts you has their very own log file.

]]> By: Ric Mollor http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560136 Ric Mollor Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:31:28 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time/#comment-560136 Another huge problem is the loss of all queued IMs and Group Messages when the client crashes. Consider the scenario of being online with SL and you step away from the PC for a bit. During that time several people IM you and you also receive a few group notices. When you sit down in front of the PC again SL has a crash. Those communications are lost without any way to retrieve them. This is completely unacceptable from a business standpoint and a serious block to the acceptance and usage of SL within a corporate environment. Businesses require 100% accountability of all communications. Another huge problem is the loss of all queued IMs and Group Messages when the client crashes. Consider the scenario of being online with SL and you step away from the PC for a bit. During that time several people IM you and you also receive a few group notices.

When you sit down in front of the PC again SL has a crash. Those communications are lost without any way to retrieve them. This is completely unacceptable from a business standpoint and a serious block to the acceptance and usage of SL within a corporate environment. Businesses require 100% accountability of all communications.

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