Comments on: Knowledge Base Article of the Week: Undo, or undo not. There is no try. http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/ By Linden Lab Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:17:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Tip of the Week #16: How to make a gift box… happy holidays! « Official Linden Blog http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-559519 Tip of the Week #16: How to make a gift box… happy holidays! « Official Linden Blog Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:45:04 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-559519 [...] Knowledge Base Article of the Week: Undo, or undo not. There is no try. - Jeremy Linden graciously included my video tutorial, which explains how Undo’s quirks can be used to help you build better.  [...] [...] Knowledge Base Article of the Week: Undo, or undo not. There is no try. - Jeremy Linden graciously included my video tutorial, which explains how Undo’s quirks can be used to help you build better.  [...]

]]> By: Manjagan http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-557440 Manjagan Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:45:33 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-557440 Sorry for the off topic guys, but i dont know where to ask... I havent been on sl for a couple of months (rl issues) and now, when i try to log in it says waiting for “region handshake,” then it says log in failed try again later or click help. The help button didnt work, I got a blank screen. I also uninstalled and re-installed Second Life, but to no avail. I still cant log in… Can anyone tell me what to do? It seems this was a problem some time ago, so im wondering if i am the only one who dont know what to do abt it, since i wasnt here when it was a "common" problem.. Thanks Sorry for the off topic guys, but i dont know where to ask…
I havent been on sl for a couple of months (rl issues) and now, when i try to log in it says waiting for “region handshake,” then it says log in failed try again later or click help. The help button didnt work, I got a blank screen. I also uninstalled and re-installed Second Life, but to no avail. I still cant log in… Can anyone tell me what to do?
It seems this was a problem some time ago, so im wondering if i am the only one who dont know what to do abt it, since i wasnt here when it was a “common” problem.. Thanks

]]> By: Amanda Ascot http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-556934 Amanda Ascot Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:04:13 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-556934 Seeing as how this thread is still open and didn't get filled up, yet, I'm going to throw in a couple more cents' worth of comments that are actually totally on-topic. 1) ctrl-z, as pointed out already, is a pretty standard keyboard shortcut, and I love that LL incorporated this (if only it also worked on my electric typewriter). This is so much more convenient than multiple clicks to access a menu. We need keyboard shortcuts for *everything* in SL! OK, maybe we need bigger keyboards to do that ... 2) Multiple undo -- YES! This has been a gamesaver for me more often than I can remember. 3) Undo memory: I didn't know what to call this, but I'm talking about the fact that every edited object has it's own undo "tree". I don't know how deep it is, since it's always been able to fix my own buried mistakes, though. What is ultra-cool about Second Life's undo feature, though, is that it (sometimes) will persist even after logging out and logging back on, again. I suspect this comes under the category of "undocumented/unsupported feature", even though it is mentioned in the Knowledge Base article, so don't complain if it doesn't always work. It won't. 4) Did I say "Knowledge Base article"? Yes! I do believe I did! This is actually one of those *useful* articles, even if many residents don't, for whatever reason, bother to access the Knowledge Base to look it up (log in, search for "undo" and, voila!, you're there). All in all, "Undo" is something Linden Lab did right, and for those of us prone to errors, it's a very good thing they did. I have a few issues with it, though. 1) I really don't know the technical details behind implementing an undo in Second Life, but I really wish that various object parameters, besides positioning, could be reverted by this function. I would think that this would be relatively simple to implement. I can understand the additional database load this could cause, but that could be at least partially resolved by not remembering changes across "sessions" -- a "session" ending upon log-out, taking the edited object into inventory, or transferring it to another person. 2) There should be a way to "skip" a specific undo step in a chain of undo events. Other than these issues, I like my "Undo"! Seeing as how this thread is still open and didn’t get filled up, yet, I’m going to throw in a couple more cents’ worth of comments that are actually totally on-topic.

1) ctrl-z, as pointed out already, is a pretty standard keyboard shortcut, and I love that LL incorporated this (if only it also worked on my electric typewriter). This is so much more convenient than multiple clicks to access a menu. We need keyboard shortcuts for *everything* in SL! OK, maybe we need bigger keyboards to do that …

2) Multiple undo — YES! This has been a gamesaver for me more often than I can remember.

3) Undo memory: I didn’t know what to call this, but I’m talking about the fact that every edited object has it’s own undo “tree”. I don’t know how deep it is, since it’s always been able to fix my own buried mistakes, though. What is ultra-cool about Second Life’s undo feature, though, is that it (sometimes) will persist even after logging out and logging back on, again. I suspect this comes under the category of “undocumented/unsupported feature”, even though it is mentioned in the Knowledge Base article, so don’t complain if it doesn’t always work. It won’t.

4) Did I say “Knowledge Base article”? Yes! I do believe I did! This is actually one of those *useful* articles, even if many residents don’t, for whatever reason, bother to access the Knowledge Base to look it up (log in, search for “undo” and, voila!, you’re there).

All in all, “Undo” is something Linden Lab did right, and for those of us prone to errors, it’s a very good thing they did. I have a few issues with it, though.

1) I really don’t know the technical details behind implementing an undo in Second Life, but I really wish that various object parameters, besides positioning, could be reverted by this function. I would think that this would be relatively simple to implement. I can understand the additional database load this could cause, but that could be at least partially resolved by not remembering changes across “sessions” — a “session” ending upon log-out, taking the edited object into inventory, or transferring it to another person.

2) There should be a way to “skip” a specific undo step in a chain of undo events.

Other than these issues, I like my “Undo”!

]]> By: Chaz Longstaff http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-556005 Chaz Longstaff Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:13:44 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-556005 >> Cat Gisel Says: See, YOU needed an Undo for this blog entry Line of the day, LOL! 10 points! >> Cat Gisel Says: See, YOU needed an Undo for this blog entry

Line of the day, LOL! 10 points!

]]> By: mimi http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555474 mimi Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:44:07 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555474 Totally off topic but I just tested the windlight viewer THE AVATAR IMPOSTORS ARE AMAZING! GREAT!!!!!!!!!! I was not sure if they were in the new viewer, but when i disabled them i saw the difference! OMG they bend in so smoothlessly! GREAT FEATURE! Totally off topic but I just tested the windlight viewer THE AVATAR IMPOSTORS ARE AMAZING! GREAT!!!!!!!!!!

I was not sure if they were in the new viewer, but when i disabled them i saw the difference!

OMG they bend in so smoothlessly! GREAT FEATURE!

]]> By: Furniture http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555296 Furniture Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:09:37 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555296 The knowledge base and Wiki should be merged. Linden Lab can always make Wiki pages un-editable if they do not want the content changed. However, allowing the community to edit the knowledge could benefit everyone. There are a number of out of date pages in the knowledge base compared to the Wiki and vice-versa. The knowledge base and Wiki should be merged. Linden Lab can always make Wiki pages un-editable if they do not want the content changed. However, allowing the community to edit the knowledge could benefit everyone. There are a number of out of date pages in the knowledge base compared to the Wiki and vice-versa.

]]> By: Prodigal Maeterlinck http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555250 Prodigal Maeterlinck Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:39:08 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555250 I discovered this by force of habit; CTRL-Z maps to 'Undo' in just about any text, code or graphics editor. I thought it was considerate and intuitive design on LL's part. I discovered this by force of habit; CTRL-Z maps to ‘Undo’ in just about any text, code or graphics editor. I thought it was considerate and intuitive design on LL’s part.

]]> By: Anylyn Hax http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555249 Anylyn Hax Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:36:05 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555249 I feel free now. there are so mny things to undo. I like to start by undoing the globalisation ;) I feel free now. there are so mny things to undo. I like to start by undoing the globalisation ;)

]]> By: Irene Muni http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555242 Irene Muni Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:26:33 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555242 About Video versus Text, i think that video is a very visual help for understand the explanation. But please: remember that english spoken people aren't the only users of SL. There are people who can read english language. But maybe they have problems listening english. ¿Video or Text? Both, please :) About Video versus Text, i think that video is a very visual help for understand the explanation.

But please: remember that english spoken people aren’t the only users of SL. There are people who can read english language. But maybe they have problems listening english.

¿Video or Text? Both, please :)

]]> By: Capt Carroll http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555129 Capt Carroll Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:47:15 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/13/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-undo-or-undo-not-there-is-no-try/#comment-555129 Video vs text ... Different people learn in different ways, so ideally providing *both* formats will help the greatest number of people. For me, text format is much better because it's easier to follow along at my own speed. Also I can easily copy/paste the key points into my own cheat sheet. More importantly however, text in web pages is much more indexable by search engines. Which is another powerful reason to make them public (no login). For good examples of how to describe complicated procedures in text format, look at the photoshop community. The magazines (Photoshop User, Layers, NAPP) have been doing this extremely effectively for some time, and publish gobs of techniques online in both formats. Do whatever you want, as long as you give me concise attractive text in web pages! lol Jeremy - love your work, keep it up! Video vs text … Different people learn in different ways, so ideally providing *both* formats will help the greatest number of people. For me, text format is much better because it’s easier to follow along at my own speed. Also I can easily copy/paste the key points into my own cheat sheet.

More importantly however, text in web pages is much more indexable by search engines. Which is another powerful reason to make them public (no login).

For good examples of how to describe complicated procedures in text format, look at the photoshop community. The magazines (Photoshop User, Layers, NAPP) have been doing this extremely effectively for some time, and publish gobs of techniques online in both formats. Do whatever you want, as long as you give me concise attractive text in web pages! lol

Jeremy - love your work, keep it up!

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