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	<title>Comments on: More on Age Verification</title>
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		<title>By: -N/A-</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/09/more-on-age-verification/#comment-551381</link>
		<dc:creator>-N/A-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't mind at this point in verifying my SL Loon, but...

How easy do you think its for a underage kid to grab the drivers license from theyr parents at the middle of the night and just plotting that in?
kids can be freggin sneaky, we all were when we were kids.

But I wonder about if Jane Doe verityed her main SL Loon and then vertifyes her ALT Loon and even ALT-ALT-ALT-ALT-ALT-ALT Loon, how  safe is this for her ALT or ALTS not bein seen from others SL Residents?
If I had/have one alt I would NOT like ppl to see who my alt is.
And LL should NOT give out who belongs to who.

And not least some dumbass ghosting the age vertify page and can steal the info with that?
It has happend in my contry a person loosing over 10000USD after some dumbass had cloned and made a identical site that copyed his/hers RL Bank account info, bcuz the site wasnt secure enuff.

Or else Im all up for age vertify, its bloody time that the underage brats get locked outa the mature regions and stop griefing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind at this point in verifying my SL Loon, but&#8230;</p>
<p>How easy do you think its for a underage kid to grab the drivers license from theyr parents at the middle of the night and just plotting that in?<br />
kids can be freggin sneaky, we all were when we were kids.</p>
<p>But I wonder about if Jane Doe verityed her main SL Loon and then vertifyes her ALT Loon and even ALT-ALT-ALT-ALT-ALT-ALT Loon, how  safe is this for her ALT or ALTS not bein seen from others SL Residents?<br />
If I had/have one alt I would NOT like ppl to see who my alt is.<br />
And LL should NOT give out who belongs to who.</p>
<p>And not least some dumbass ghosting the age vertify page and can steal the info with that?<br />
It has happend in my contry a person loosing over 10000USD after some dumbass had cloned and made a identical site that copyed his/hers RL Bank account info, bcuz the site wasnt secure enuff.</p>
<p>Or else Im all up for age vertify, its bloody time that the underage brats get locked outa the mature regions and stop griefing.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivienne</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/09/more-on-age-verification/#comment-551379</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Denise

"If LL and the residents are not able to use that world in a way the law allows, it’s in danger to be closed one day! So think about…"

As far as i know there is no immediate legal need for age verification. LL tries to polish up image. If they want age verification, they can easily  it by using credit card/PayPal Information and restrict the grid generally. The entire adult industry does work this way, so it can´t be wrong.

But what they do is, not only in my opinion, sheer nonsense (for a LOT of reasons) and endangers the existance of SL much more than any bunch of right wing german TV "journalists" reporting some manipulated misinformation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Denise</p>
<p>&#8220;If LL and the residents are not able to use that world in a way the law allows, it’s in danger to be closed one day! So think about…&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as i know there is no immediate legal need for age verification. LL tries to polish up image. If they want age verification, they can easily  it by using credit card/PayPal Information and restrict the grid generally. The entire adult industry does work this way, so it can´t be wrong.</p>
<p>But what they do is, not only in my opinion, sheer nonsense (for a LOT of reasons) and endangers the existance of SL much more than any bunch of right wing german TV &#8220;journalists&#8221; reporting some manipulated misinformation.</p>
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		<title>By: scruffy</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/09/more-on-age-verification/#comment-551378</link>
		<dc:creator>scruffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm from the UK. On attempting to age-verify, the options given for ID type are passport and driver's license; and to proceed I am obliged to "...consent to its verification against public records or government-issued identification". 

UK government agencies, however, do not authorise private companies to access that data (unless they are involved in a public/private partnership - Aristotle are not).

So, either Aristotle are planning to illegally access UK government data, or they don't plan to verify the information i give them. Neither is entirely encouraging is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from the UK. On attempting to age-verify, the options given for ID type are passport and driver&#8217;s license; and to proceed I am obliged to &#8220;&#8230;consent to its verification against public records or government-issued identification&#8221;. </p>
<p>UK government agencies, however, do not authorise private companies to access that data (unless they are involved in a public/private partnership - Aristotle are not).</p>
<p>So, either Aristotle are planning to illegally access UK government data, or they don&#8217;t plan to verify the information i give them. Neither is entirely encouraging is it?</p>
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		<title>By: MrLunk Voom</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/09/more-on-age-verification/#comment-551377</link>
		<dc:creator>MrLunk Voom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLEASE INFOM ME...

Where I can find my Governments rules about intrnet !
you say you spoke to european goverments...
so lets hear what Holland had to say please ...

And I think thee are more peeps here that will want the same awnsers from their countries governments...


Greetz,
MrLunk Voom
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Cryophile/159/221/31
http://www.cannacabanna.nl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE INFOM ME&#8230;</p>
<p>Where I can find my Governments rules about intrnet !<br />
you say you spoke to european goverments&#8230;<br />
so lets hear what Holland had to say please &#8230;</p>
<p>And I think thee are more peeps here that will want the same awnsers from their countries governments&#8230;</p>
<p>Greetz,<br />
MrLunk Voom<br />
<a href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/Cryophile/159/221/31" rel="nofollow">http://slurl.com/secondlife/Cryophile/159/221/31</a><br />
<a href="http://www.cannacabanna.nl" rel="nofollow">http://www.cannacabanna.nl</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fellatione Aabye</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/09/more-on-age-verification/#comment-551376</link>
		<dc:creator>Fellatione Aabye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QUOTE ... which we think makes a big difference in evaluating safety and compliance — is that no data is being taken, retained or stored. Rather, an automated check is done at the point of contact, and all data is then purged. UNQUOTE

Dearest Robin are you realy believing those words you typed???? 
CAN YOU GIVE PROVE TO US .. as if a company like Arsitotle/Integrety  does not retain our "so called" "voluntary" disclosures of our ID  ...  OR are you just believing blindly what that company tells ???? 


QUOTE .... However, there is no assurance that either feature will always be voluntary for all Second Life Residents. It’s possible, for example, that we could be required at some point to make one of these features mandatory for the citizens of a specific country. UNQUOTE

Dearest Robin, to me as European and Belgian Citizen .... sounds your statement like "DISCRIMINATION"  or is the ultimate goal TO GET RID of all foreign nationalites ... ??????  Nationalties who are more critic about everything Than the US Citizen. 


We all read and signed the TOS .... So we know that Second Life is claimed to be a 18+ platform ... and agreed upon that too .... OR are you also going to contradict your own Company TOS ??????? 

And as for my Credit Card ... You will never get that ... sorry to say ... But on that point I don t trust Linden Labs .... at all .... (as they are working with a 'political' company as Aristotle/Integrity .. Linden could as well sell all those collected data ... for lots of money)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QUOTE &#8230; which we think makes a big difference in evaluating safety and compliance — is that no data is being taken, retained or stored. Rather, an automated check is done at the point of contact, and all data is then purged. UNQUOTE</p>
<p>Dearest Robin are you realy believing those words you typed????<br />
CAN YOU GIVE PROVE TO US .. as if a company like Arsitotle/Integrety  does not retain our &#8220;so called&#8221; &#8220;voluntary&#8221; disclosures of our ID  &#8230;  OR are you just believing blindly what that company tells ???? </p>
<p>QUOTE &#8230;. However, there is no assurance that either feature will always be voluntary for all Second Life Residents. It’s possible, for example, that we could be required at some point to make one of these features mandatory for the citizens of a specific country. UNQUOTE</p>
<p>Dearest Robin, to me as European and Belgian Citizen &#8230;. sounds your statement like &#8220;DISCRIMINATION&#8221;  or is the ultimate goal TO GET RID of all foreign nationalites &#8230; ??????  Nationalties who are more critic about everything Than the US Citizen. </p>
<p>We all read and signed the TOS &#8230;. So we know that Second Life is claimed to be a 18+ platform &#8230; and agreed upon that too &#8230;. OR are you also going to contradict your own Company TOS ??????? </p>
<p>And as for my Credit Card &#8230; You will never get that &#8230; sorry to say &#8230; But on that point I don t trust Linden Labs &#8230;. at all &#8230;. (as they are working with a &#8216;political&#8217; company as Aristotle/Integrity .. Linden could as well sell all those collected data &#8230; for lots of money)</p>
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		<title>By: Jessicka Graves</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/09/more-on-age-verification/#comment-551374</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessicka Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People ARE worrying, but for legit reasons, like having their private information stolen, abused, or used, just to prove that they're an adult for a bloody game. You're worried about some 17 year-old seeing a naked woman, priorities my dear, priorities. (And to really say that anyone here is wasting blog-space, that's off topic &#62;.&#62; which is against the rules.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People ARE worrying, but for legit reasons, like having their private information stolen, abused, or used, just to prove that they&#8217;re an adult for a bloody game. You&#8217;re worried about some 17 year-old seeing a naked woman, priorities my dear, priorities. (And to really say that anyone here is wasting blog-space, that&#8217;s off topic &gt;.&gt; which is against the rules.)</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dowd</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/09/more-on-age-verification/#comment-551373</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Dowd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A blog post is not really a sufficient guarantee over the privacy issues. The fact that LL takes full responsibility and liability to ensure that no data used in age verification is stored by itself or any third parties needs to be clearly stated in the T&#38;S.

Matthew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A blog post is not really a sufficient guarantee over the privacy issues. The fact that LL takes full responsibility and liability to ensure that no data used in age verification is stored by itself or any third parties needs to be clearly stated in the T&amp;S.</p>
<p>Matthew</p>
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		<title>By: U M</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/09/more-on-age-verification/#comment-551369</link>
		<dc:creator>U M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only are you wasting blog space, what is worse you have to point prove there for.....I worry unlike some of these blog trolls because people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only are you wasting blog space, what is worse you have to point prove there for&#8230;..I worry unlike some of these blog trolls because people.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivienne</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/09/more-on-age-verification/#comment-551364</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>."You think i would post people names or report them? Oh please…….."

By taking a "closer look" at the font of the letters you typed i decide hereby you are clearly under 18 and call this a fact. But don´t worry, i won´t report you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.&#8221;You think i would post people names or report them? Oh please……..&#8221;</p>
<p>By taking a &#8220;closer look&#8221; at the font of the letters you typed i decide hereby you are clearly under 18 and call this a fact. But don´t worry, i won´t report you.</p>
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		<title>By: DeniseHoorn Slade</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/09/more-on-age-verification/#comment-551363</link>
		<dc:creator>DeniseHoorn Slade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KittyCat Rosebud:
So I said it's optional... :)

@all: I can't really understand the discussion on AV. Everyone of us knows, that the adult-grid is for ADULTS, not for minors who want to play  adults. 
Some say it's on the parents to watch what their kiddos do. Sure, it is. But do you really think, that you _can_ watch the actions of your kiddos all the time? I am parent and can tell you: You can't!!

Second: in most countries in this world (I think in the US, too) you are responsable for the material you publish. Means: in this case SL is responsable first for all things residents publish in SL (I dunno about the laws exactly, please correct me politely if I'm wrong). And if SL can't say who was the one, who is the creator of unlegal things, so they stand first in line for the attourney... :) 
So what's the problem? When we want to visit real hardcore-sex-sites then we agree with the AV there. And in SL we ALL agreed to the TOS when logging in first. And the TOS said for the adult-grid: You have to be an adult in the meaning of law. 
So it IS the right of SL to check that by AV. They don't do it at the moment because they don't know how.

And last: everyone of us got to know what the public opinion says on SL. A place of those who have many many problems with the society... lol. And as long as public finds a story in child-abuse in SL (never mind if the "kids" are pixel-people or not) they will report about it and all of us residents must be of the same cathegory.
_I_ WON'T be one of those, I want to be a resident of a world, that tries ALL to make sure, that this world can be one of harmony, phantasy and fun. Many of us have land in it, some have complete estate, most have left much money in SL and are not interested to loose it.
If LL and the residents are not able to use that world in a way the law allows, it's in danger to be closed one day! So think about...

Denise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KittyCat Rosebud:<br />
So I said it&#8217;s optional&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@all: I can&#8217;t really understand the discussion on AV. Everyone of us knows, that the adult-grid is for ADULTS, not for minors who want to play  adults.<br />
Some say it&#8217;s on the parents to watch what their kiddos do. Sure, it is. But do you really think, that you _can_ watch the actions of your kiddos all the time? I am parent and can tell you: You can&#8217;t!!</p>
<p>Second: in most countries in this world (I think in the US, too) you are responsable for the material you publish. Means: in this case SL is responsable first for all things residents publish in SL (I dunno about the laws exactly, please correct me politely if I&#8217;m wrong). And if SL can&#8217;t say who was the one, who is the creator of unlegal things, so they stand first in line for the attourney&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
So what&#8217;s the problem? When we want to visit real hardcore-sex-sites then we agree with the AV there. And in SL we ALL agreed to the TOS when logging in first. And the TOS said for the adult-grid: You have to be an adult in the meaning of law.<br />
So it IS the right of SL to check that by AV. They don&#8217;t do it at the moment because they don&#8217;t know how.</p>
<p>And last: everyone of us got to know what the public opinion says on SL. A place of those who have many many problems with the society&#8230; lol. And as long as public finds a story in child-abuse in SL (never mind if the &#8220;kids&#8221; are pixel-people or not) they will report about it and all of us residents must be of the same cathegory.<br />
_I_ WON&#8217;T be one of those, I want to be a resident of a world, that tries ALL to make sure, that this world can be one of harmony, phantasy and fun. Many of us have land in it, some have complete estate, most have left much money in SL and are not interested to loose it.<br />
If LL and the residents are not able to use that world in a way the law allows, it&#8217;s in danger to be closed one day! So think about&#8230;</p>
<p>Denise</p>
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