New Release Candidate Viewer: 1.18.6 RC0 Available Today!
Wednesday, December 5th, 2007 at 2:29 PM by: Bridie LindenToday’s Release Candidate Viewer (1.18.6.0) contains more important bug fixes and new functionality that we welcome your feedback on. As a reminder, Release Candidate viewers are optional updates that contain the latest round of bug fixes and/or soon-to-be-released new features. Please visit the test software page to download the Second Life 1.18.6 (RC0) Release Candidate viewer. Source code will be available for download shortly, too.
Changes:
- Age Verification (for details on this, please see Robin Linden’s post):
- The user interface for parcel and estate access has been clarified and improved.
- Added the ability to restrict access to parcels and estates to age verified adults.
- Removed the ability to *ban* access to Residents who have provided payment info or who have used payment info. We continue to support the ability to *allow* access to only those who have provided payment info.
- Login/Authentication
- We changed the way viewers login to Second Life. This was developed to support future anti-Fraud efforts. The changes are largely internal — apart from some minor cosmetic differences the behavior of the login screen is unchanged.
- For more information, read our public wiki article
- Crash Reporter
- The crash reporting mechanism has been improved. Following a crash, more useful information will be sent and reports should now take less than 10 seconds.
Bug fixes include:
- VWR-1627: Classified metrics are reset to 0 when the ad is updated
- VWR-1162: Land for sale includes L$1 parcels that are not actually for sale
- VWR-1125: Clicking Title Bar While Mouselook’d Repositions SL
- VWR-2483: the macviewer.xcodeprj file doesn’t create stripped binaries on Deployment or Universal
- VWR-2404: lossless texture compression on small textures not lossless
- VWR-2046: Focus is sent to menu/money/notification window
- Land owners can no longer delete objects belonging to others (but can still return objects)
- Positioning fixes for Japanese IME for fields where only ASCII is allowed
- Ctrl-Shift-W now works even if no windows have focus
- Fixed issue where avatar is stuck falling in place after login
- HTML login screen now functional again on Linux
- Floater sizing behavior corrected when viewer window is made very small
Please continue to report any new issues in the Issue Tracker and be sure to set “Affects Version/s” to “1.18.6 Release Candidate“. Your participation is welcome at our weekly (Wednesdays @ 3pm PST time) inworld bug triages, too!
Thank you for helping improve the viewer and the Second Life experience.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:37 PM
“Removed the ability to *ban* access to Residents who have provided payment info or who have used payment info. We continue to support the ability to *allow* access to only those who have provided payment info.”
I have payment info used and I still think this is stupid. Why remove the ability? We can do it manually anyway, you’re just making it harder.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:39 PM
Your ‘age verification’ have a field to choose the verification method, but not any textbox where user can type their verification number itself.
Plus, it doesn’t seem to work well with the korean people. =X
December 5th, 2007 at 2:44 PM
Great work on these last updates. I’m loving the balanced approach you’ve taken here, with several bug fixes on every update but still concentrating a good bit on Windlight and Havok 4. Keep it up. I might even go premium.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:55 PM
Why would you remove the ability to delete objects off land YOU OWN, i understand somtimes people rez stuff thats no copy, but they should be aware of that, they should be warned if they rez it…what if somone rezzes a ton of porn, or prim spam…….wouldnt it be less stress on the grid just to delete it instead of having to send ALL of that back to the person…plus somtimes the person wants the stuff deleted they might not want it back……..bad move LL
December 5th, 2007 at 2:57 PM
My 2 cents on age verification and the hinted consequences of not covering up naked cartoons in a video game.
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
2 thumbs down. Find a better way.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:05 PM
I am still getting contradictory statements from different Lindens about the reasons for this unnecessary change in the login protocol. I sincerely hope that this is merely normal confusion.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:06 PM
One bug that has been “Bugging me” and has failed to show up in any of the updates since July / August is still in this latest RC. The blue “Voice Enabled” icon still appears in my viewer on land which is NOT voice enabled at the Parcel level and is also NOT enabled at the estate level. It seems like a small thing, why can’t anyone fix this yet?
One other quirk with this RC - some of the viewer ‘floaters’ (camera controls, movement controls’) appeared on the logon page, making it awkward to get to the name and password fields. Aside from making it hard to get to the fields, I was able to log on ok. It’s jus wierd having the floaters appear before logging in.
Finally - nothing in the inworld profile to indicate who is verified and who is not verified? Or have I missed it? Are we meant to test the land restrictions? How can we test them if we can’t tell who is or isn’t verified?
December 5th, 2007 at 3:07 PM
Hi! I cannot open the support page by firefox, and IE cannot open the support chat. Please do something and make it work!
December 5th, 2007 at 3:12 PM
@4: Um, that’s just silly. They fixed a great bug, that’s not a “bad move”. Yes, *sometimes* it’s better to delete an object than simply place an object back into inventory, but if you don’t own the object, that’s not your call! LL giving anyone else the ability to destroy your property is just stupid. Good thing they fixed this.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:13 PM
@7 Atashi: I sincerely hope that nothing EVER gets into the profile to indicate who is or is not required to wear a yellow star.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:16 PM
@9 Gaius, @4 Eric: As of at least a year ago, landowners were already not able to delete objects belonging to others. If they attempted to delete a no-copy object, it was returned instead. This is just making the user interface match the reality.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:18 PM
@Cinos:
I think the reasoning behind it is that most landowners that do deny access based on payment info status do so only with “No Payment Info on File” residents. Why do that? As a way to help cut down on greifers. Which is perfectly fine for residential parcels, but being able to deny access through payment info doesn’t make sense for storeowners.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:20 PM
@9 Working at an island sim which holds a number of support groups, I don’t want to return things like evesdropping devices so that the avatar can just put them back again… if something is obviously left behind by mistake I return it - but if it’s obviously not legal for it to be there, like a bugging device left in the wall of a public meeting place (which has happened), I or any of the management team should be able to delete it.
I think it’s a bad idea to take this out.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:26 PM
@10 Argent: I’m not happy about where this is all leading either, I’m just trying to figure out how we’re supposed to beta test this gridwide beta. Do they figure we’ll just turn it on and wait to see if anyone complains that they can’t access a specific parcel / region? That’s just crazy, IMHO… there’s no way I’d ever turn this on without knowing in advance who it might impact, which means I’ll never test it.
Additionally, earlier blogs suggested that verification will somehow help us “Trust” other residents, and I don’t buy into that either, but I’m wondering how it will help us build this “Trust” they spoke of, if there’s no indication at all.
One more question has occured to me for the Lindens — I don’t see anything new listed in the LSL guide, has LSL been updated or have any changes been made in there as part of the IDV beta?
December 5th, 2007 at 3:36 PM
Hey Im not even able to login, the bottom part wich seems to be some HTML code can’t be activated somehow. LOL
December 5th, 2007 at 3:36 PM
What is the difference between the Release Candidate Viewer: 1.18.6 RC0 and the WindLight First Look Viewer: 1.18.5.74965 ? the “6″ means that Release Candidate Viewer: 1.18.6 RC0 is newest and has more?
Best Regards,
shaq
December 5th, 2007 at 3:38 PM
P.S. - I like the old login screen better. Suppose something went wrong with the HTML login page. How would we login then? At least with the old login it would just be the fancy stats you won’t see, but the login entries can still be used.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:43 PM
It was my understanding from comments ages past that the changes being made to the login were to externalize it from the viewer itself. That way you’re never giving your login to the client program, and it therefore can’t be intercepted by an ‘evil’ version of the viewer. You are typing it directly into a web page maintained by Linden Lab, which theoretically should be more secure.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:44 PM
To test the age verifacation systym I set a small empty parcel to age restricted. I had a friend of mine (who has age verifided) try to enter it. She couln’t, it said for the parcel is restisrited to age verified. (she already is). It also asked her if she wanted to verify. It sent her to the age verify page which said that her age was already verified. LL needs to fix this.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:46 PM
I agree. land owners should ba allowed to ban anyone from there lands whether payment info is provided or not. and what if we want to delete some items belonging to a person and not others. surely the return option can only be used when all items are to be returned. this is impractical
also any idea when linden will increase the group allowance? 25 isn’t enough by far! would be nice to see that updated
December 5th, 2007 at 3:56 PM
Will any of the mentioned Release Candidate features/fixes come to the Windlight viewer and, if so, when?
December 5th, 2007 at 4:00 PM
Well, Linden Labs, you finally did it.
YOU CAN NOT LOG IN USING THIS RELEASE CANDIDATE FROM BEHIND A PROXY FIREWALL.
Why?
The SL client doesn’t support proxies.
This means that anyone at a company following “best practices” for firewall design, including the big companies LL wants to invest in the grid, have to go plead with their firewall admins to let them through.
I knew this was coming. I’ve told several Lindens that it’s going to break when they do this. They promised to take it up with the right people. And, guess what?
Sigh.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:00 PM
A bit confused overhere. The login screen has changed? I can’t find the password entry field the first time I opened it. Second time it appeared but the login screen looks like it’s not completed. Anyone checked this version on a mac?
December 5th, 2007 at 4:06 PM
With the ammount of ways to prevent underage people registering. Thinking along the lines of adult sites and site you need to be over 18 for you need to enter you credit card details to prove your age. EVERYONE is on a goverment file of some description. So Driving license, credit card number (in UK the National insurance number) and what ever other countries use. As soon as u enter these details BANG your identity is brought up.
So why the devil not do that. Have a drop down box on the REGISTRATION page with the ability to enter the details of your choice
* Credit card details
* Driving licence details
* Natioinal Insurance Number ( other form of ID in other countries)
* and something else which is connected to your personal details
This may also prevent the peadophile and other griefer sort of people registering and causing the rest of the keen players to have peace and have fun on SL.
Just a thought…but then I am only a player.. a pawn as it were and probably wont get noticed
December 5th, 2007 at 4:08 PM
In my profile when I now look at my account info it says:
“Payment info used, Not” and that’s it. Which implies, Payment Info used ….haha not really!
I can’t scroll across to see what Not means. It can’t mean not verified because I’ve been verified for a while now.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:13 PM
where is the button?
also at the bottom right of the login screen it says:
Second%20Life%20Release%20Candidate | 1%2E18%2E6%20%280%29
December 5th, 2007 at 4:14 PM
@23: see VWR-1115.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:14 PM
Note One, totally white log-in info is a bit jarring…
I notice the warning of being on the Main Grid is gone.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:15 PM
meant to say where is the “preferences” button, but the word was removed after posting.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:16 PM
Why all the updates? Are you TRYING to ruin your business? I mean really!
Age verification at sign up. EASY
GAWD
December 5th, 2007 at 4:17 PM
oh did i mention you should reinstall and old viewer?
December 5th, 2007 at 4:19 PM
Viewer crashes constantly at log in screen, won’t even let me finish setting my preferences before logging in. Needs more work, maybe RC1 will solve this problem.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:19 PM
can you please move your servers offshore Lindens so the rest of the world doesn’t have to adapt to the pathetic bigotry of the american new moral right wing crazy christians…and I promise you it won’t help getting a democrat in the white house either…
December 5th, 2007 at 4:32 PM
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December 5th, 2007 at 4:37 PM
I can only agree with 33. I don’t want to start again another flamewar on nationality. But this game is supposed to be worldwide and as a european I think US morals are very weird. You can’t expect the whole world to take up US morals.
If LL was located in a muslim country would all female avatars have to cover their face? And if so would you still enjoy second life? I liked SL much more when their where no restrictions and sl wasn’t tied to one religion or law. I say also religion as the US is a county where religion is mixed with politics.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:38 PM
Age Verify…
Doesn’t work, at least for people in NZ using their drivers license, you need to get it to only list the acceptable forms for each Country, or have a list somewhere what is ok in each Country.
*wanders off wondering how he is going to age verify* (drivers license doesnt work, no national id card here, my passport is from another Country, etc etc)
December 5th, 2007 at 4:43 PM
yeah well fine how many times do i have to relog to get a direct voice chat that works (i am using the best stuff so skip that gambit wiseguys)?
December 5th, 2007 at 4:56 PM
wait, we can’t ban griefers from land we own now?
i dont understand this move, LL… are residents finally in check mate?
*begins work on an orbiter that can be quickly integrated into existing security systems via API*
December 5th, 2007 at 4:58 PM
Great,,log in after log in and cant get my money to load, cant upload, cant do crap,,this update SUCKS. Plain ans imple. How am I supposed to upload new items for customers that are waiting if you cant get the viewer updates to work right?
IT SUCKS,,TAKE ME BACK TO THE LAST UPDATE THAT WORKED FLAWLESSLY!
December 5th, 2007 at 4:59 PM
@36 and others… you don’t need to age verify. Unless someone convinces me this is a really great idea, I’m not going to.
December 5th, 2007 at 5:04 PM
Ok.. now the grid is screwed again.. money not loading, can’t upload anything, inventory items missing..
S.O.S. !!!!
How about a FIX!
December 5th, 2007 at 5:06 PM
New Login screen is missing several critical items.
1) Can’t see where I’m logging in. 3 unlabeled radio buttons.
2) No preferences button, how do i change this before logging in?
December 5th, 2007 at 5:08 PM
bad idea Linden Labs!
1st of all that does not work by me…
2nd:
Jeska Linden Says:
December 5th, 2007 at 4:04 PM PST
Hey everyone, the security certificate message was due to the link starting with “https” instead of “http” and has since been fixed -sorry about that!
and no statement to the other users that are angry?
it does not work… and till you LL fixed it all we can not enter regions who set that right?
yeaaw where is the post a few days before to notificate us? you forgot that or what?
well SL is anyway an ADULD GRID so why an age verification? There was a Teen Grid b4….
that is really stuipt im sorry….
please LINDEN LAB at least you could write a Statement to that!
wont work
its not needet
99% of all SL residents dont like it
IF YOU CONTINUE THIS THINGS…. YOU WILL HAVE SOON MAX. 30.000 USERS ONLY ONLINE…
many SL residents will leave SL… you dont even ask us what we want? we write an email with 400 people to support with ONE idea about SL what 99.9 % of users would LOVE! you only write “we are sorry that we are not able to do that at the moment please let us know if we can do anything for you” that makes real sence you dont think so? rofl
well everyone i asked would be happy about this idea (what i wont explain here now) but you dont care…
so LL one questiuon….. do you really care aout all the residents?
SL should be “MADE BY RESIDENTS - FOR RESIDENTS” or is that wrong???? well you better should listen what ALL OF THE RESIDENTS want here in SL and not what you want or what you think or like…. SL should be everything what most of the residents like…
or maby another stupit idea of me
did you ever thought about Fixing all the bugs before you add more and more and more features? well SL lags, crashes then came voice… sl crashes, laggs, unable to login, and there was Windlight… then SL laggs, SL Crashes, unable to connect to dns server, and IF u can login always… tp doesnt work, money is shown as loading and so on….. then came now the age verification….
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO NEXT??? new features? really helpful lindens sure…. bugs getting more, features getting more, and bugs ever more the before….
and now an age verification that doesnt work by 40 - 50 % of the residents
do you MAKE the bugs only that you can work more?
really lindens i dont understand that
December 5th, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Is the Access for Verified only supposed to work? Because it didn’t.
Well, doesn’t work yet that I can tell once verified.
1) My profile says “Payment info used, Not”, same as unverified alt. Verified alt, didn’t change.
2) Set land access to Verified only before verifying alt, still got in.
Beta testing says…..
Borked
December 5th, 2007 at 5:11 PM
Ok, age verify stuff that’s great but what? when the nobody avatar be able to verify themself? how? and another stuff important for me…
ok, here come the insane question, With that new form of login/authentification, while be ever able to use -loginuri parameter and login in OpeSIM with newest viewer ?
December 5th, 2007 at 5:15 PM
Wooohooo VWR-2404 !!!
Hugs and kisses for this one to all of you.
You just made my life more enjoyable !
December 5th, 2007 at 5:16 PM
someone at SL pay attention to @41 lets get down to priorities we want reliability
December 5th, 2007 at 5:16 PM
“Hey everyone, the security certificate message was due to the link starting with “https” instead of “http” and has since been fixed -sorry about that!”
O-O
o_O ;;;
Um, I hope this doesn’t mean what I think it means.
December 5th, 2007 at 5:20 PM
I’ve broken the tinfoil hat ranks by age-verifying my avatar. Can anybody recommend an “adult only” parcel/estate to see if inworld verification worked? Thanks!
December 5th, 2007 at 5:22 PM
@38 and other: YES YOU CAN BAN NON-PAYMENT AVATARS.
They just changed it so you can’t ban payment-info-on-file or payment-info-used.
(sheesh)
December 5th, 2007 at 5:22 PM
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December 5th, 2007 at 5:23 PM
What does Payment info used, Not mean?
I am verified.
December 5th, 2007 at 5:28 PM
I think I will stick with Windlight First look.. But thanks for offering
December 5th, 2007 at 5:41 PM
Are new ports needed for this web login bit? I’m not getting through.
December 5th, 2007 at 5:43 PM
@54: you need direct port 80 and 443. NOT proxied. They don’t support proxies. See http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1115
December 5th, 2007 at 5:56 PM
No login with this RC Viewer possible.
I think it would be better you test more the new Viewer before you deploy them.
As i told some weeks ago, it would be better to test all things BEFORE you deploy it. It seems, you haven’t really learned.
One question - and i’m really curious about the answer - you know that providing the informations for verfication is illegal to the most european countrys? It’s forbidden by law (you remember, the same thing why you banned gambling, is forbidden in your country) to provide this informations over the internet - even if the verification company is NOT located in the EU.
You say, you have to obey EU laws and have to collect VAT, so follow all other EU laws and find a different solution to become the age verification. You can’t pick the laws you want and kick all other - oh, you can, because you did it all the time, don’t you?
I’m really curious if the EU becomes the VAT you collect - i will find a way to check this.
Ok, i will stop the complains, i can understand that you want to be on the save side. I can also follow that you want / need a age verification. But why you don’t follow other companies? It would be also a better idea to work with different companies, even for the european residents.
Finally: you will follow the laws, thats ok, but don’t force your residents to break the laws for the age verification.
December 5th, 2007 at 5:56 PM
Re. the “Payment Info Used, Not” thing, I edited the xml files for the profile floater and avatar panel and it does indeed exand to “Payment Info Used, Not Age Verified”. It displays this for my profile and every profile I have looked at so far. Note that I verified months ago and on the verification web page it says I am verified.
Look at the file “panel_avatar.xml” for more information.
December 5th, 2007 at 6:08 PM
@ 56 I’m sure the EU will get our VAT. No VAT was one of the big wonders on second life from me, because it seemed impossible as we use CC for payments. But i have to add that collecting VAT is only possible for products that are imported to the EU and as the VAT is collected on the land tier that means the virtual land is not virtually located anymore in the US but in the EU so we don’t have to care about US laws as those not apply to EU citizens as we pay VAT in the EU
December 5th, 2007 at 6:13 PM
@57
Thanks Atashi for this information.
Quote from the FAQ:
Will the fact that I am “age verified” or “non age verified” be published or made available to other Residents?
Other Residents will not be able to view your age verification status — for example, within your profile. However, if you are on a parcel that requires age verification, other Residents on that parcel (or having access to your location information) may be able to deduce that fact.
—————————————————————–
LindenLabs, you should fix it. Finally the login with the RC Viewer was successfully and i can see if other residents are age verified or not.
Is your FAQ a joke?
It still shown me one more time, that you don’t test your software enough before you deploy it. Even if it is a RC and the age verification is beta, this informations have never been shown to other residents.
December 5th, 2007 at 6:27 PM
Land owners can no longer delete objects belonging to others (but can still return objects)
For those complaining about this, you should be aware this was already the case. This change was made silently a LONG time ago, and for many months, the delete button has done the exact same thing as the return button
This is simply removing the delete button on other people’s objects, as it current;y does absolutely nothing anyway.
December 5th, 2007 at 6:29 PM
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December 5th, 2007 at 6:36 PM
LOL this stuff is hilarious.
First, Linden Lab cancels the “credit card” login requirement, supposedly because many people (especially oversees) can’t get a credit card.
So now they require AGE VERIFICATION. And what, these same people are supposed to be able to get THAT? And that requires what… a CREDIT CARD???
LOL LOL LOL.
“Removed the ability to *ban* access to Residents who have provided payment info or who have used payment info.”
So what does this mean exactly? Rather vague statement. Does that mean that land owners can no longer ban people just because they have payment info on file? Or what?
Not sure how I feel about all this, but up front, it seems like more tunnel-vision knee-jerk solutions to valid problems. Would appear to me that the age verification thing is nothing more than a smoke-screen for LL to protect their tails legally. “Hey, we have age verification in place! Beyond that, it’s the responsibility of our CUSTOMERS!”
Yup, sounds like more “blame it on the customer” tactics.
December 5th, 2007 at 6:45 PM
little bit of a tidbit for you guys, one democratic cadidate wants this to happen, hillary clinton, who has office in SL, im not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but do you think that LL is being bought by the democratic party?
December 5th, 2007 at 6:50 PM
by the way, the “not” says “not age verified” the box on your profile just cuts it off
December 5th, 2007 at 6:58 PM
1. It is now impossible to log in using the main or First Look viewers. You HAVE to download and use this “non mandatory” release candidate.
2. The RC login page is nonfunctional if it is windowed and spread over two monitors in a multimonitor system.
December 5th, 2007 at 6:58 PM
What??? No changes to the horrid communicate window system. *sighs*
December 5th, 2007 at 7:02 PM
@63 we can all be glad that republicans have no office in SL!
December 5th, 2007 at 7:05 PM
Removing the ability to ban on payment info used refers to the check boxes at the bottom of the ban page. It really makes no sense, in a platform that wants to attract paying customers, to allow land owners to blanket-ban these paying customers.
It doesn’t mean that it isn;t possible to individually ban them, just no more collective ban.
They left the “Ban no payment info” button, which will keep out the free accounts, and therewith most griefers.
Makes a lot of sense to me.
The change to the login system is worrying. If people with proxied access are no longer able to log in that will cut out a whole lot of people. Most companies use filtering, caching proxies for port 80 and 443; other ports are usually NATted outbound.
Also, how can LL want the Linden Viewer to become the standard for virtual worlds, if it has a proprietary login interface that will not work with other virtual worlds (see OpenSim).
This also means that it will now be absolutely impossible to compile the Linux viewer without the llmozlib. Another few hours of compile time added to each release, great! :/
December 5th, 2007 at 7:09 PM
Sorry for the second post, but I forgot an important thing: I do definitely want other people to see I’m age-verified, and I want to see it in the profiles of others. Just like LL, I like to be safe in having an adult conversation and knowing I am covered legally, because reasonable effort to ensure that the person I’m talking to is of legal age has been made.
December 5th, 2007 at 7:13 PM
If you’re concerned about the proxy problem, vote on VWR-1115.
December 5th, 2007 at 7:15 PM
@Melanie: It should be possible to log in without llmozlib by sending the expected form response then reading the UUID you get in the Location: URL in the response redirect message for the login token.
December 5th, 2007 at 7:35 PM
@ 43 (chrisse Zabelin) and i bet that dont even read you hun. I said the same thing about fixing current problems first before adding new ones. Stop being power hungry. SL is getting worse. I just want to be able to login, see friends, my family, have fun, do shopping IF I CAN TELEPORT and HAVE MONEY SHOWING upload pictures, walk around without my pc spazzing on me every 5 minutes and stalling and NO this isnt my pc spec… it happens to my friends too. I have spent well over £100 on my pc with new gfx card and more ram to make it better. Sure it was ok for the first few days but then its getting worse again. MAKE SL BETTER first concentrate on one thing at a time. Sure i understand SL will have hicups as after all its just a gloryfied website, but please!! for the love god and for the love of SL residents, try and sort this HUGE mess and very BIG hole you are creating here before its to late. It really will come down to just Lindens playing on SL one of these days. I love SL dearly its a chance for me to escape mundane real life but I’m fearing I and all my friends and possible other residents are going to leave for another online world. What must the new residents think to all this. “Damn this sucks I’m leaving, why did i bother” more then likely.
So please please please LL listen to your residents, because at the end of the day, no residents, no Second Life!
**Rant over**
December 5th, 2007 at 7:52 PM
Hmmm. I’ve been here in SL since y’all had 30k total residents.
I tried:
My US passport (Issued years ago)
My State Identification (Also issued years ago)
My SSN’s last 4. (Uhh, isn’t it illegal to ask for any part of a SS#?)
I’ve only had one address.
Well, since I can’t verify, and neither can either of my business partners, we’re not going to set any of our land, where we ARE selling mature items, to identity verification.
Feel free to abuse report us, people.
Seriously. I want to see 50 people on our island, abuse reporting our content, just to fill up LL’s abuse report queues and stop them from dealing with more important issues.
We’re not leaving SL. If LL doesn’t like us selling our products with age verification disabled, they’re going to have to go the extra mile, personally contact us and verify us (we’re near san jose, CA, less than 50 miles from the LL HQ) and tell us to our face that we must turn on age verification. Until that happens, the world may feel free to drop by our sim, and purchase our products.
Come by and visit us!
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Euphoria%20Island/121/122/411
December 5th, 2007 at 8:06 PM
You need more work on the age verification. I tried with both the las 4 of my SSN and with my drivers license…both failed and both are valid. You need to make sure the mess actually works before you even put it out as beta…..this is stupid and not good for business.
December 5th, 2007 at 8:49 PM
Two issues here after downloading the Candidate viewer.
(1) Why can I see my camera controls on my login page? lol
(2) Why isn’t the Preferences button available on the login page, or am I missing it?
http://i5.tinypic.com/8amit4y.jpg
Should I make JIRAs for them, or was this done on purpose?
December 5th, 2007 at 8:59 PM
[...] Second Life Blog New Release Candidate Viewer: 1.18.6 RC0 Available Today! Quote from the site - Today’s Release Candidate Viewer (1.18.6.0) contains more important bug [...]
December 5th, 2007 at 10:44 PM
Jay: preferences on the login page are in a menu now.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:11 AM
[...] jeder inkl. sein Hund einen Account in SL machen konnte, gibt es nun endlich (?) den ersten RC Viewer mit Altersverifikation und alle dürfen jetzt Linden zeigen das sie 18 Jahre sind. Das habe ich zwar schon vor über 2 [...]
December 6th, 2007 at 1:33 AM
Darien
“It was my understanding from comments ages past that the changes being made to the login were to externalize it from the viewer itself. That way you’re never giving your login to the client program, and it therefore can’t be intercepted by an ‘evil’ version of the viewer. You are typing it directly into a web page maintained by Linden Lab, which theoretically should be more secure”
I’m sorry but this is a dangerously misleading statement, and one which LL has made itself a number of time.
What you say is strictly true - if the client is launched in a logged on state from a logged on web session, it should prevent a malicious client from intercepting a username and password. However, you are still running an executable which has full access to your inworld account and has priveleged access to your computer. You are still at risk from a malicious client, and there are still ways it may still attempt (and even succeed) in getting your username and password.
The danger is that people will read statements such as the above, and be less careful than they should about third party clients.
On the other hand, this would open up whole new ways of tricking people into phisching sites (links on malicious webpages to sites in world which take you to a mocked up LL logon page to launch the viewer; e-mails of the form “you have received an IM in SL, please click to access your IMs” etc.
Anyway, there was a long list of concerns articulated at http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_Authentication_Critique although it appears even Argent’s web proxy concern hasn’t been addressed!
Matthew
December 6th, 2007 at 1:45 AM
Good Bye sl, all i care about now is that i am getting a fair price for my land…Might look into this in 1 or 2 years again.
But my guess is, it won´t be here anymore or only populated by a few die hard lindens…
happy drowning
December 6th, 2007 at 2:32 AM
1) Does this age verification mean that a private company has access to all the national insurance (SSN), passport number, driving licence ( from age 17 in the UK) and credit card details of everyone in the world?
2) There is a huge furore in the UK at the moment due to the government tax authorities loosing two CDs with 25 million folks details such as name, bank and national insurance in the post. I might loose a credit card number and I loose a limited amount of money ( or the credit card company does), loose this identify information and whehey the bad guys can really have a good time!
The last thing I want is to send so much information over the internet!
3) What is to stop “little jonny” from borrowing his dads/mums/big sisters passport etc?
4) This is all so that we can play a game! Not prevent terrorism or protect the UKs/Frances/Germanys/Brazils/USA etc. national security.
5) If you see some perve acting outside of the TOS or law, report him/her, just as you would in rl. You can also remind them that they are traceable over the internet!!
Sorry but you can count me out on this one!
December 6th, 2007 at 2:52 AM
i’ve loaded 1.18.6 RC0 on my mac…
and the *connect* button doesn’t work - it doesn’t *push* and doesn’t connect at all - just fyi - quadcore powermac the latest intel based.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:25 AM
You’ve removed the ability to BAN residents if they’ve got payment info on file??? What????!!! I will NEVER upgrade to this viewer, because I want to be able to ban people I want banned for my own reasons and not be prevented from banning them if they’ve paid Lindens.
The whole age verification thing, if you will read that blog, is an excuse to hand over Residents’ info to a data mining company. For this, all Residents are now inconvenienced and have to adjust land settings and ban lists.
Way to go, Linden Labs. You really really want people to leave, don’t you. Not to worry, we will. I for one know I have very little future as a designer in an environment with pretty skies and super ugly avatars.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:42 AM
@83
You still can ban ppl.
I’ve tested the new Viewer. Ok, then Ban-Tag is gone, but the ban ability is still there - under the Access-Tab. For me it makes sense, but the age-verification not, because it didn’t work, not for germans and US either (and many other countrys too).
It looks like that LL hasn’t really tested the verification procedure.
Btw, where is the link with informations about the verfication company? Even if it is still beta, THIS informations are MANDATORY. Your obligated to provide this informations, because the verification procedure isn’t located at LindenLabs.
It seems you kick one more time the laws of other countrys. Let me tell you again, you can’t pick the laws you want to follow, if you want to follow the EU Laws, then do it complete and not only the VAT.
And also the Company for the verification procedure; i’ve read it at several sites that this company isn’t trusty, so why you don’t choose a different company with a better reputation?
I’m not complaining about the age verification, i can understand that you want to be on the save side, but i complain about the way you do it - thats the wrong way.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:52 AM
I have provided my payment info and you guys have it on file.. all of a sudden a few months ago, my profile went back to “NO payment info on file”!!! I submitted a ticket to support staff for months no action and no response.
so unless u fix the old prob, new features just add to the existing problems.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:01 AM
Well this time I can only join the general consensus:
A) your age verififaction methods are illegal for most people in the EU
B) I have tried all possible combinations for identifying myself right now, despite its doubtful legality, but got a “failed” each try. I did move in the last 18 months, but both my adresses will not work
C) How hard do you think it is for a child with an IQ above room temperature to take their parent´s ID card or whatever and verify the account?
D) Isnt a paypal account etc verification enough? imo its just as much a verification as a drivers license: both require you to be adult to own, and both can be obtained from parents in JUST THE SAME EASY WAY.
so please, LL, reconsider this. Im concerned about having to illegally supply private information to a patriot-act compliant company (the patriot act is basically an act which declares that human rights can be ignored if necessary), which also apparently does big-time information sales.
The system is not needed since there already IS a way to verify, and also it will scare away a lot of people. Besides, it has a 100% failure rate for me and I cant even USE it legally. So please reconsider and do away with it, thanks.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:31 AM
Well, I’m pretty impressed - NOT.
As a Brit living in France, it failed all my ID:
UK Passport
UK Drivers Licence
UK SSN
French SSN
French ID card
WTG Linden…
UK Driving Licence is a laugh: those things are valid until you are 70, so they should be on their database…
December 6th, 2007 at 4:55 AM
YOU LINDENS REALLY SUCK FOR TOTALLY AND OMPLETELY IGNORING THE QUESTIONS OF YOUR RESIDENTS ABOUT AGE VERIFICATION
I HOPE NOONE WILL FLAG THEIR PARCEL BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOUR DESERVE FROR TREATING YOUR CUSTOMERS CONCERNS WITH COMPLETE IGNORANCE
December 6th, 2007 at 4:56 AM
WHY DO YOU IGNORE US WHY ISNT THERE EVEN ONE LINDEN THAT CAN ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE FROM US?
December 6th, 2007 at 5:06 AM
I did some Googling onthe company that owns the verification service. Among the things they do it provide a service for politicians to spam potential voter using voting rolls? I’m sorry, I’m an informatics and journalism major (working on becoming a computer journalist) and, well, that and what a quick Google search of “John Aristotle Phillips” (the CEO of said company) makes me think this is a Bad Idea.
I bet dollars for donuts that it’s not just EU law, but also many US states that disallow the use of drivers license numbers for this kind of use. With at least 51 drivers license providers in the US (including DC) and probably hundreds of actual laws covering that information, you better make sure you don’t violate my rights as a Hoosier for this quagmire of age verification. If it become required and John Aristotle Phillips’ company is involved, I may have to bow out of this crazy experiment and take my money to, say, Turbine. Lord of the Rings Online is awfully fun.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:37 AM
I think i’m gonna get out my C&¤ and start playing Boulder Dash instead of SL.
I’m not either a big fan of giving my personal ID info to an outsider that is not even from my own country or not a proper covernment ran authority.
And guess what i have no payment info,and probably never will have. Way to go LL you should know that everyone in the world is no able to pay for this fun,and everyone with no payment info is not a minor or a griefer, so why the limitations?, wait iknow US laws that are no concern to people in other countries.
There are people who pay and still act like brats to make peoples SL a living hell,and if i understood correctly i can’t ban them as admin cause they have payment info LOL!.
One more thing, i think this is going to be like the infamous WOW (which i’ve never played, lucky me!), NO PAY NO PLAY very soon for us “regular” peeps.
Oh something more the enjoyment factor is gonna drop radically, i’m quite sure about that.
“Thats all folks”.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:29 AM
thats wasnt hard. easy to verify. easy to flag my land as adult. I am not to sure how this will “protect” anyone. They will just move off the sims onto the mainland.
So now that people are IDV’d with a code attached to their avatars. Sounds like a way to track a persons movements,see what kind of sick things that make them tick, as well as see who they are.
I have nothing to hide so go for it. The only thing I see that could be a problem is the confusion of what has to be flagged or not.
Should just make everyone do it so we all have a level of “trust”
And get rid of the confusion of what should be flagged or not.
This is the adult grid so unless your under 18, What do you have to hide? To buy a pack of smokes you need ID, to buy booze you need ID,to go into a bar, you need ID.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:43 AM
I am already verified enough when I gave my CC info. In my country minors cannot get a CC. I will not give out any personal data to anything that isn’t LL. I don’t care about adult cr*p anyway so it’s fine for me.
December 6th, 2007 at 7:22 AM
I was writed this thing down like 5 times while my browser is crashed, the internet frozen and I’m full of this so I keep it short.
I’m all against this, LL shuld do a VOTE of this ‘Age-blablabla” and after that if YES is more than make this thing 1st priority in registrateing to get PPL know they HAVE to GIVE out their personal information not for those PPL who already in this game and makeing them upset for this, if NO comes out forget about this thing and press DELETE on this thing.
I say everybody this is all about to force us all to leav…..
Well LL, keep up the worse work! My SL experiance getting worse and worse, ty all!
December 6th, 2007 at 7:29 AM
PS.: Removeing the ability to BAN?!
Cool LL letting griefers free to grief all the way around of SL cooL!!
Nah this is mutch more than unacceptable, this is bad!
December 6th, 2007 at 7:40 AM
LOL … LOL …
Tried just the age verification …
Copy paste of answer afterwards
Quote
The information that you provided did not match available public records. This can occur if your information has changed recently. If you moved or changed your name in the last 18 months, please try age verification again with your prior address or name.
Please also try using a different identity document. Many countries use multiple identity documents, for example, a passport, driver's license, or national ID card. Please make sure that you've selected the proper country name.
If you are still having difficulty verifying your age, or would like to learn more about the beta release of Age Verification, please read the FAQ on the Second Life Support Portal.
Unquote …
1. Legaly my information was right ….
2. In belgium ONLY the national identity Card is a legal document NOT the drivers licence or other document … and as goodwill have tried them all … Driving Licence number and even … my Rijksregisternummer (=social security nr in the US ) … all with the answer above
3. Belgium has 10 provinces (didn t see any in a dropdown menu) so even my zipcode with or wothout B (for Belgium) has NO EFFECT
4. DEAR LINDEN you will never get my Credit Card number … (don t trust you a bit … sad to say)
Can i get for once a reply from you …. pls
So dear Linden Back to the drawing board pls …. and a BIG RED A—– for you
Or is it … I dont dare to think of it or dream of it…… to get rid off all those other pesty nationalities????? Just US in Sl would maybe be a dream ….
December 6th, 2007 at 7:44 AM
Interesting Research Hara on the verification company. In the USA this isn’t the first time this has come up…AT&T (et.al)’s wire and email tapping is the current buzz, …unerased computers sent to prisons, and before that it was the “Do Not Call” registr, where people VOLUNTARILY gave their information, under the guise of being protected,, which btw is up for 5 year renewal so you have to do it all over again. Before that it was the Lexis Nexis database (which still exists, blocked or not)… It’s amazing how MUCH of this information is already out there… Add to that how many times when you use a CC the company COULD take your info if the employees were dishonest. Getting this worked up over a single company is the tip of the already melting iceberg…
*sigh*
December 6th, 2007 at 7:53 AM
I am on the new viewer right now with my land access tab open I have the following options and can check each one.
-Allow public access, residents who have given payment info to linden labs and age verified adults. You can still choose to allow only payment info on file people only to get rid of griefers.
Nothing new other than one more option to check. No big deal.
One other question. Other than making a person teleport onto a flagged parcel to prove they are of age. Why not show at least in the profile if they are verified or not? I can understand not showing a person private info. But knowing at a glance if they are for real or not would be nice.