Comments on: Knowledge Base Article of the Week #7: Age Verification Beta http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/ By Linden Lab Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:01:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Xi Taurog http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547122 Xi Taurog Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:47:12 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547122 @148 - "in rl you have to prove your age in certain places or opening bank accounts etc, so why not here when there is mature content." Um, because there's a big difference between flashing my drivers license briefly to a cashier or bank teller, and providing personal ID numbers to a known data miner in electronic format that they can use in countless ways? Stop being a sheep. @148 - “in rl you have to prove your age in certain places or opening bank accounts etc, so why not here when there is mature content.”

Um, because there’s a big difference between flashing my drivers license briefly to a cashier or bank teller, and providing personal ID numbers to a known data miner in electronic format that they can use in countless ways?

Stop being a sheep.

]]> By: Ivantwin Rogers http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547114 Ivantwin Rogers Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:40:40 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547114 Here is something unusual, maybe linden labs was sold to aristotle per pair of millions or aristotele are sold to labs linden for some millions that is imposible some company make a ilogical and bad rule and go to banckrupt Here is something unusual, maybe linden labs was sold to aristotle per pair of millions or aristotele are sold to labs linden for some millions that is imposible some company make a ilogical and bad rule and go to banckrupt

]]> By: Flowedew Zagoskin http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547113 Flowedew Zagoskin Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:38:24 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547113 I for one welcome the age verification. To answer some of the points raised. 1. Not everyone on this site is 18 or over, people lie but if you have age verification and have to produce evidence of your age then so be it. The only ones that should be worried are the ones who are not 18 or over. And before you go on about the rights of people, in rl you have to prove your age in certain places or opening bank accounts etc, so why not here when there is mature content. 2. The person who said make everyone pay is right. Even if people paid just a small amount it would help linden lab make SL better. 3. All the people that go on about how bad SL should remember the vast amount of server power and all the people that work to make SL a great place for us to be in. OK it dont work perfect all the time, but I can remember a few years back when this sort of site wasnt available. So stop moaning and give SL your support otherwise linden labs might say sod it and pack up and then what would you do. I think SL is great and the features like windlight etc are stunning and cant wait for other features. So lets all give linden our support folks otherwise we might lose the whole lot. Think about it. I for one welcome the age verification. To answer some of the points raised.

1. Not everyone on this site is 18 or over, people lie but if you have age verification and have to produce evidence of your age then so be it. The only ones that should be worried are the ones who are not 18 or over. And before you go on about the rights of people, in rl you have to prove your age in certain places or opening bank accounts etc, so why not here when there is mature content.

2. The person who said make everyone pay is right. Even if people paid just a small amount it would help linden lab make SL better.

3. All the people that go on about how bad SL should remember the vast amount of server power and all the people that work to make SL a great place for us to be in. OK it dont work perfect all the time, but I can remember a few years back when this sort of site wasnt available. So stop moaning and give SL your support otherwise linden labs might say sod it and pack up and then what would you do.

I think SL is great and the features like windlight etc are stunning and cant wait for other features. So lets all give linden our support folks otherwise we might lose the whole lot. Think about it.

]]> By: notagambler http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547102 notagambler Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:27:19 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547102 #145, try again in a few hours or days, now they have your data :)) You gave it to them :)) #145, try again in a few hours or days, now they have your data :))

You gave it to them :))

]]> By: Milo Bellow http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547098 Milo Bellow Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:20:18 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547098 Since The British Tax Morons Lost Copies Of Millions Of Peoples Personal Details Recently, Should I Really Be So Concerned When A Consistently Duplicitous Bunch Of Software Geeks Sell My ID To An Obviously Phishing Cowboy Company? Meh... Since The British Tax Morons Lost Copies Of Millions Of Peoples Personal Details Recently, Should I Really Be So Concerned When A Consistently Duplicitous Bunch Of Software Geeks Sell My ID To An Obviously Phishing Cowboy Company?

Meh…

]]> By: Yina Yao http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547092 Yina Yao Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:13:29 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547092 Hmm...fun, that 'age verification' thing...and how it utterly fails to work. I'm from Germany, and I just tried to verify with my driver license NR and my personal id nr, and both failed multiple times. My suspection: My address got umlauts in it, that's letters not commonly used in the US but very common here in Germany. Yanno.... ä, ö, and ü. They can be substituted for as 'ae', 'oe' and 'ue'. Unfortunately the substitutions are not getting recognized, and the original ä, ö and ü get mangled by the webbrowser during transfer or are not properly contained in that verification check dbase or whatever. In any case IT SIMPLY DOES NOT WORK. So... thanks for a job well done, LL. NOT! Hmpf. -Yina Hmm…fun, that ‘age verification’ thing…and how it utterly fails to work.
I’m from Germany, and I just tried to verify with my driver license NR
and my personal id nr, and both failed multiple times. My suspection:
My address got umlauts in it, that’s letters not commonly used in the
US but very common here in Germany. Yanno…. ä, ö, and ü. They can
be substituted for as ‘ae’, ‘oe’ and ‘ue’. Unfortunately the substitutions
are not getting recognized, and the original ä, ö and ü get mangled by
the webbrowser during transfer or are not properly contained in that verification check dbase or whatever. In any case IT SIMPLY DOES
NOT WORK.

So… thanks for a job well done, LL.
NOT!

Hmpf.
-Yina

]]> By: Leeloo Nykvist http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547089 Leeloo Nykvist Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:09:05 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547089 This could actually work. You just need to reverse the test. "What?" you might say... Listen to this. Here we have a well known collector and seller of personal information, with a database full of all the information needed for identity theft. A company that doesn't care about laws, but requires you to enter data that you can't legally give them (in some countries). Who would give them their personal info? Noone with an ounce of common sense. Noone who knows the word "responsibility". In short: Only those who aren't old enough to be trusted with any official document. Unfortunately, they will still get hold of their parents drivers license. My solution: If you have a mature sim, deny access to those who have verified. They are clearly not old enough to enter. And to those who asked i LL has an agreement preventing said 3rd party from keeping/selling your info: Even if they do, what prevents that agreement from being broken? The law? Look above, this is a company that has already been shown to be willing to break the law. LL suing them? How is that going to happen? LL won't know. Your information will be out there, but noone can prove that the data came from you SL verification and not through another company that used the same 3rd party. This could actually work. You just need to reverse the test. “What?” you might say… Listen to this. Here we have a well known collector and seller of personal information, with a database full of all the information needed for identity theft. A company that doesn’t care about laws, but requires you to enter data that you can’t legally give them (in some countries). Who would give them their personal info? Noone with an ounce of common sense. Noone who knows the word “responsibility”. In short: Only those who aren’t old enough to be trusted with any official document. Unfortunately, they will still get hold of their parents drivers license. My solution: If you have a mature sim, deny access to those who have verified. They are clearly not old enough to enter.

And to those who asked i LL has an agreement preventing said 3rd party from keeping/selling your info: Even if they do, what prevents that agreement from being broken? The law? Look above, this is a company that has already been shown to be willing to break the law. LL suing them? How is that going to happen? LL won’t know. Your information will be out there, but noone can prove that the data came from you SL verification and not through another company that used the same 3rd party.

]]> By: zebadee http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547088 zebadee Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:08:34 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547088 hahahaha you cant even make a stable client, like **** am i verifying. hahahaha you cant even make a stable client, like **** am i verifying.

]]> By: Rascal Ratelle http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547077 Rascal Ratelle Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:57:07 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547077 The Following has NOT been addressed: What is the garuntee that this third party will respect the privacy laws and NOT store he info unless requested? Is LL Monitoring this third party? Why should we entrust our privet info to a third party we know nothing about? What about security? how securer is this third party? Who do we hold accountable if a security breach occurs at the third party? What about third party credentials? I believe we have the Legal right to view those too. What garuntees do we have against Identity theft? I refuse to submit any of my privet info to The third party until you guys address ALL my concerns and questions regarding this issue. I do NOT feel safe nor secure releasing my privet info to a third party I know nothing about. How are we to submit our privet info? by photocopy? By Scanning into our computers and then E-mailing it? How much do free accounts have to pay? what about those of us unable to get a credit card for what ever reasons or can’t access pay-pal? Also it's illegal for an online virtual world to require a users social security number for any reason. THere's not a single piece of ID on that list that I feel I can trust SL with. The Following has NOT been addressed:

What is the garuntee that this third party will
respect the privacy laws and NOT store he info unless
requested?

Is LL Monitoring this third party? Why should we
entrust our privet info to a third party we know
nothing about?

What about security? how securer is this third party?
Who do we hold accountable if a security breach occurs
at the third party?

What about third party credentials?

I believe we have the Legal right to view those too.

What garuntees do we have against Identity theft?

I refuse to submit any of my privet info to The third
party until you guys address ALL my concerns and
questions regarding this issue.
I do NOT feel safe nor secure releasing my privet info
to a third party I know nothing about.

How are we to submit our privet info? by photocopy? By
Scanning into our computers and then E-mailing it?
How much do free accounts have to pay? what about
those of us unable to get a credit card for what ever
reasons or can’t access pay-pal?

Also it’s illegal for an online virtual world to
require a users social security number for any reason.

THere’s not a single piece of ID on that list that I feel I can trust SL with.

]]> By: karl herber http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547072 karl herber Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:49:12 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/05/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-7-age-verification-beta/#comment-547072 I am in the UK and I want to verify my age (I'm 41). The only options given for me are drivers licence and passport. I own neither. How may I verify? Can I mail you a photocopy of my birth certificate? What do I do? I am in the UK and I want to verify my age (I’m 41). The only options given for me are drivers licence and passport. I own neither. How may I verify? Can I mail you a photocopy of my birth certificate? What do I do?

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