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	<title>Comments on: Tip of the Week #9: How to create and join a group</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: libertine Valeeva</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/01/tip-of-the-week-9-how-to-create-and-join-a-group/#comment-517762</link>
		<dc:creator>libertine Valeeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sure would be nice if we would be able to ressurect group names that were dissolved automatically.  I wouldn't be opposed to paying another hundred lindens to resurrect a group name I lost by being at one member longer than 48 hours.

Why can't we ressurect names we have previously registered?  (And why is it so hard to dissolve a group?)

and  how about increasing the number of groups allowed...and and and ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sure would be nice if we would be able to ressurect group names that were dissolved automatically.  I wouldn&#8217;t be opposed to paying another hundred lindens to resurrect a group name I lost by being at one member longer than 48 hours.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we ressurect names we have previously registered?  (And why is it so hard to dissolve a group?)</p>
<p>and  how about increasing the number of groups allowed&#8230;and and and &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JetZep Zabelin</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/01/tip-of-the-week-9-how-to-create-and-join-a-group/#comment-507078</link>
		<dc:creator>JetZep Zabelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Torley that is grouvy (SLINGO def.2)

this is also *How to have your own custom tag* for people I always hear asking the question</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Torley that is grouvy (SLINGO def.2)</p>
<p>this is also *How to have your own custom tag* for people I always hear asking the question</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/01/tip-of-the-week-9-how-to-create-and-join-a-group/#comment-506168</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>may i ask for a tutorial on how to deal with the fact that editing my groups ends up always in desaster because the settings are always going back to default?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>may i ask for a tutorial on how to deal with the fact that editing my groups ends up always in desaster because the settings are always going back to default?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Crimson</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/01/tip-of-the-week-9-how-to-create-and-join-a-group/#comment-505428</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Crimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@22: Groups are automatically deleted after 2 days if only one or two members (the owner included) remain in the group. That's in the video. ;-)

Oh, and just the other night someone asked me how to create a group. With a big, satisfied grin I told them "browse to the blog page and watch the latest TOTW." Thanks, Torley, for making this one easy for me LOL :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22: Groups are automatically deleted after 2 days if only one or two members (the owner included) remain in the group. That&#8217;s in the video. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oh, and just the other night someone asked me how to create a group. With a big, satisfied grin I told them &#8220;browse to the blog page and watch the latest TOTW.&#8221; Thanks, Torley, for making this one easy for me LOL <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Linda Brynner</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/01/tip-of-the-week-9-how-to-create-and-join-a-group/#comment-505369</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Brynner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toreley,
Can you PLEASE help me since I don't know who to turn to. For some reason I no longer have sound in SL since Saterday. All outworld music and streams work fine, only not SL. I have SL viewer 1.83(5) and Quicktime 7.2
What can be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toreley,<br />
Can you PLEASE help me since I don&#8217;t know who to turn to. For some reason I no longer have sound in SL since Saterday. All outworld music and streams work fine, only not SL. I have SL viewer 1.83(5) and Quicktime 7.2<br />
What can be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: big</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/01/tip-of-the-week-9-how-to-create-and-join-a-group/#comment-505140</link>
		<dc:creator>big</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now..all I need to know is how to delete a group..which I don’t think is possible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now..all I need to know is how to delete a group..which I don’t think is possible</p>
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		<title>By: Montana Corleone</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/01/tip-of-the-week-9-how-to-create-and-join-a-group/#comment-505001</link>
		<dc:creator>Montana Corleone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@18 - I use Safari on a Mac and have absolutely no problem downloading it. I think it will be more firewall or proxy orientated. One thing I NEVER do, is use the update button from the viewer. That will download, install and delete the old one. Often, the new feeatures and bugs introduced with a new version make it worse than the old one, so I always download it manually from the web site, and then I have the old version to go back to if things are more borked, as is often the case.

Sorry guys, but that's how it is. Generally, more than 50% of viewer updates are worse than the previous. I generally use the older ones until they become obligatory, and the bugs, bad perforance and unwanted shinies are forced on me.

Kudos to the OnRez Team, for their implementation of the viewer (used for the CSI:NY people). They keep the Friends Button, move some menus around, and have handled the comms very well - you still have just a chat history only you can pull up, an IM button, and a voice button for the few who use it, and Friends are a separate window.

Altogether it's a much cleaner, sounder, more well thought out interface, and clear their programmers at least have an idea about GUI design, or have read Apple's Human Interface Guidelines (the general introduction is applicable to all coders, the rest is how Apple implements the theory). Let's hope it becomes the next SL viewer proper. Only a couple of niggles with it: some sort of browser pop-up control (but only because it is now a proper browser, resizeable window unlike the stunted and next to useless LL one), and not sure I like some of the chnages, eg no View my online/access to my objects logos in Friends window, and the settings for those are in individual friends where Notes was, and not in the friends window itself - a little counter intuitive, but otherwise I think the revamped layout is good.

Of course it crashes just as much as the standard viewer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@18 - I use Safari on a Mac and have absolutely no problem downloading it. I think it will be more firewall or proxy orientated. One thing I NEVER do, is use the update button from the viewer. That will download, install and delete the old one. Often, the new feeatures and bugs introduced with a new version make it worse than the old one, so I always download it manually from the web site, and then I have the old version to go back to if things are more borked, as is often the case.</p>
<p>Sorry guys, but that&#8217;s how it is. Generally, more than 50% of viewer updates are worse than the previous. I generally use the older ones until they become obligatory, and the bugs, bad perforance and unwanted shinies are forced on me.</p>
<p>Kudos to the OnRez Team, for their implementation of the viewer (used for the CSI:NY people). They keep the Friends Button, move some menus around, and have handled the comms very well - you still have just a chat history only you can pull up, an IM button, and a voice button for the few who use it, and Friends are a separate window.</p>
<p>Altogether it&#8217;s a much cleaner, sounder, more well thought out interface, and clear their programmers at least have an idea about GUI design, or have read Apple&#8217;s Human Interface Guidelines (the general introduction is applicable to all coders, the rest is how Apple implements the theory). Let&#8217;s hope it becomes the next SL viewer proper. Only a couple of niggles with it: some sort of browser pop-up control (but only because it is now a proper browser, resizeable window unlike the stunted and next to useless LL one), and not sure I like some of the chnages, eg no View my online/access to my objects logos in Friends window, and the settings for those are in individual friends where Notes was, and not in the friends window itself - a little counter intuitive, but otherwise I think the revamped layout is good.</p>
<p>Of course it crashes just as much as the standard viewer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Montana Corleone</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/01/tip-of-the-week-9-how-to-create-and-join-a-group/#comment-504995</link>
		<dc:creator>Montana Corleone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@16 - How to delete a group.  Well to leave one, simply highlight it and click Leave in groups.

Deleting it is trickier. But it relates to my post #8 above. All you have to do is delete all the other members of the group. If it's open enrollment, change it so it's not and random people don't join through search.

After about 5 days of less than two people, Linden will autonatically delete the group. Be sure about this, as you cannot then create a new one with the same name. It seems those names are taken forever, ay least for a while IMHO.

Note: theis means TWO things. One, be very careful that your group never reaches just one person, ie you for more than that time, eg by using an alt, as there is nothing you can do to stop the group being automatically disbanded, and of course losing your L$100 too; and secondly, be careful of joint or co-owners, because you will have to wait for one or more to leave. If there are two, then you really need the other to leave. If you leave, there is the possiblility they can then effectively takes the group over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@16 - How to delete a group.  Well to leave one, simply highlight it and click Leave in groups.</p>
<p>Deleting it is trickier. But it relates to my post #8 above. All you have to do is delete all the other members of the group. If it&#8217;s open enrollment, change it so it&#8217;s not and random people don&#8217;t join through search.</p>
<p>After about 5 days of less than two people, Linden will autonatically delete the group. Be sure about this, as you cannot then create a new one with the same name. It seems those names are taken forever, ay least for a while IMHO.</p>
<p>Note: theis means TWO things. One, be very careful that your group never reaches just one person, ie you for more than that time, eg by using an alt, as there is nothing you can do to stop the group being automatically disbanded, and of course losing your L$100 too; and secondly, be careful of joint or co-owners, because you will have to wait for one or more to leave. If there are two, then you really need the other to leave. If you leave, there is the possiblility they can then effectively takes the group over.</p>
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		<title>By: Talia Enzo</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/01/tip-of-the-week-9-how-to-create-and-join-a-group/#comment-504840</link>
		<dc:creator>Talia Enzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look forward to further halping SL become a descent place to live work and play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to further halping SL become a descent place to live work and play.</p>
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		<title>By: Kal</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/01/tip-of-the-week-9-how-to-create-and-join-a-group/#comment-504805</link>
		<dc:creator>Kal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@12-Stretch:  If you are not able to download the entire file it may be because your web browser is incompatible. I use Safari browser on a Mac. SL runs fine on my Mac but when I try to download an updated SL viewer (either at login through the viewer or on the web at the SL site) I need to do so through Firefox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@12-Stretch:  If you are not able to download the entire file it may be because your web browser is incompatible. I use Safari browser on a Mac. SL runs fine on my Mac but when I try to download an updated SL viewer (either at login through the viewer or on the web at the SL site) I need to do so through Firefox.</p>
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