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	<title>Comments on: No Q4 Pricing Changes Planned</title>
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		<title>By: Mattchicago Cleanslate</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/09/putting-an-end-to-pricing-rumors/#comment-494355</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattchicago Cleanslate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me i belive the prices should be lower and the prim rate should be higher. As much as i seen happen and well the grid being unstable as it is well i dont belive anyone should pay more then what they are right now. I could see if the sim/regions was alot more advanced and you could have more then 40 to 100 people in a sim at the same time. I think the computer systems would need a major upgrade and alot of server changes before i think about paying anymore for this.  But depends on the situation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me i belive the prices should be lower and the prim rate should be higher. As much as i seen happen and well the grid being unstable as it is well i dont belive anyone should pay more then what they are right now. I could see if the sim/regions was alot more advanced and you could have more then 40 to 100 people in a sim at the same time. I think the computer systems would need a major upgrade and alot of server changes before i think about paying anymore for this.  But depends on the situation</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk Felix</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/09/putting-an-end-to-pricing-rumors/#comment-494354</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you will raise new prices, but keep new land at a higher rate. Seems like BS and something Torley hought of. BTW, Torley is sending SPAM in order to recruit people for some idea thing. If you don't have a roadmap to your future this isnt the way to go about finding one ;) Tell Torley that he violated the CANN SPAM ACT. We all know that LL needs to be monitored to stay within the confines of the law. Consider this a piublic service ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you will raise new prices, but keep new land at a higher rate. Seems like BS and something Torley hought of. BTW, Torley is sending SPAM in order to recruit people for some idea thing. If you don&#8217;t have a roadmap to your future this isnt the way to go about finding one <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> Tell Torley that he violated the CANN SPAM ACT. We all know that LL needs to be monitored to stay within the confines of the law. Consider this a piublic service <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: sensual fold</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/09/putting-an-end-to-pricing-rumors/#comment-494353</link>
		<dc:creator>sensual fold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@145...obviously u have not been reading or keeping up....We were living within our means until $30/mth extra was added to our tier due to the lovely add on of the VAT. Im sure its obvious to many who read your comment that the green eyed monster has ahold of u but please try to keep it to a dull roar when exposing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@145&#8230;obviously u have not been reading or keeping up&#8230;.We were living within our means until $30/mth extra was added to our tier due to the lovely add on of the VAT. Im sure its obvious to many who read your comment that the green eyed monster has ahold of u but please try to keep it to a dull roar when exposing it.</p>
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		<title>By: U M</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/09/putting-an-end-to-pricing-rumors/#comment-494352</link>
		<dc:creator>U M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a time when the in world Live help was wonderful. But like all things in the helper groups. It became littered with bad and very tasteless people. Hence hurting the once useful syste, LOL there was even a woman that know almost nothing. But she became LH. The GOd Old days of LH had a record of helping and dealing with issues. But it became nothing but a "IF YOU KNOW" who got you in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a time when the in world Live help was wonderful. But like all things in the helper groups. It became littered with bad and very tasteless people. Hence hurting the once useful syste, LOL there was even a woman that know almost nothing. But she became LH. The GOd Old days of LH had a record of helping and dealing with issues. But it became nothing but a &#8220;IF YOU KNOW&#8221; who got you in there.</p>
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		<title>By: IntLibber Brautigan</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/09/putting-an-end-to-pricing-rumors/#comment-494351</link>
		<dc:creator>IntLibber Brautigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8: Jeff, the facts are that with estate tools, estate owners are less of a cost burden on LL than mainland landowners, because estate owners can provide their own liason services to their residents, where mainland barons are at the mercy of griefers and rely on costly LL support. 

From a rational, real life business perspective, LL should be charging private island owners LESS than they do mainland land owners on monthly fees, due to the cost savings. 

Instead what LL did was maintain concierge service and disband Help Request, essentially abandoning the mainland residency into an ungoverned chaos (no, you can no longer call the mainland "anarchy", because the distinction between anarchy and chaos is personal accountability). The refusal to provide Help Request saves LL money enough to dump mainland on the market at less than the cost that private island owners, and at lower monthly tier too. This forces less successful island owners out of business, the sim servers they paid for , which LL now has for zero capital cost, LL can repurpose for selling more cheap mainland, which drives more private island owners under, which supplies them more zero-capital cost servers, which lowers mainland costs further.

Ergo, LL is capitalizing itself by deluding and defrauding the small and home businessperson out of their meager savings by making them believe they can make a living in a fair and free market, when the market is hopelessly slanted in LL's favor and only those who are successful over and above the average, in the private islands, can compete. Those who are not immediately successful, or unwilling to subsidize unsuccessful islands, will lose their investments to LL's drive to capitalize itself not off of angel investors or IPO stockholders like any self respecting start-up would, but off individuals, ordinary people everywhere who believe in a fair and free market but are getting conned. 

Those who work for LL who did not see this before cannot claim it is not obvious now. Does LL consider this fair business practice? Ethical business practice? For all those who claim the estate owners rip people off, we all have a fantastic role model in LL to show us how to do it.

As George Washington once said, government is the great teacher. Here, in our world, LL is the state, and its example is teaching the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8: Jeff, the facts are that with estate tools, estate owners are less of a cost burden on LL than mainland landowners, because estate owners can provide their own liason services to their residents, where mainland barons are at the mercy of griefers and rely on costly LL support. </p>
<p>From a rational, real life business perspective, LL should be charging private island owners LESS than they do mainland land owners on monthly fees, due to the cost savings. </p>
<p>Instead what LL did was maintain concierge service and disband Help Request, essentially abandoning the mainland residency into an ungoverned chaos (no, you can no longer call the mainland &#8220;anarchy&#8221;, because the distinction between anarchy and chaos is personal accountability). The refusal to provide Help Request saves LL money enough to dump mainland on the market at less than the cost that private island owners, and at lower monthly tier too. This forces less successful island owners out of business, the sim servers they paid for , which LL now has for zero capital cost, LL can repurpose for selling more cheap mainland, which drives more private island owners under, which supplies them more zero-capital cost servers, which lowers mainland costs further.</p>
<p>Ergo, LL is capitalizing itself by deluding and defrauding the small and home businessperson out of their meager savings by making them believe they can make a living in a fair and free market, when the market is hopelessly slanted in LL&#8217;s favor and only those who are successful over and above the average, in the private islands, can compete. Those who are not immediately successful, or unwilling to subsidize unsuccessful islands, will lose their investments to LL&#8217;s drive to capitalize itself not off of angel investors or IPO stockholders like any self respecting start-up would, but off individuals, ordinary people everywhere who believe in a fair and free market but are getting conned. </p>
<p>Those who work for LL who did not see this before cannot claim it is not obvious now. Does LL consider this fair business practice? Ethical business practice? For all those who claim the estate owners rip people off, we all have a fantastic role model in LL to show us how to do it.</p>
<p>As George Washington once said, government is the great teacher. Here, in our world, LL is the state, and its example is teaching the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: B.O.O. H.O.O</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/09/putting-an-end-to-pricing-rumors/#comment-494350</link>
		<dc:creator>B.O.O. H.O.O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bought more land then you can afford? my heart bleeds.  you were not satified with a free account or a 512 parcel, YOU had to have a friggin' island. 

i have about as much sympathy for you as for the people in the us that bought too much house with a low variable interest rate, now that rates are going up, they expect the federal gov. to save their sorry arses. 

can't afford it with a rate increase, then you really couldn't afford it to begin with. 

do what the rest of us are forced to do, LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bought more land then you can afford? my heart bleeds.  you were not satified with a free account or a 512 parcel, YOU had to have a friggin&#8217; island. </p>
<p>i have about as much sympathy for you as for the people in the us that bought too much house with a low variable interest rate, now that rates are going up, they expect the federal gov. to save their sorry arses. </p>
<p>can&#8217;t afford it with a rate increase, then you really couldn&#8217;t afford it to begin with. </p>
<p>do what the rest of us are forced to do, LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS</p>
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		<title>By: Michi Lumin</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/09/putting-an-end-to-pricing-rumors/#comment-494349</link>
		<dc:creator>Michi Lumin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this means they -ARE- going to be raising mainland prices in Q1 2008. That is INSANE. The griefing on the mainland, the lack of controls - and prices are going up???

(That is pretty much what this says.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this means they -ARE- going to be raising mainland prices in Q1 2008. That is INSANE. The griefing on the mainland, the lack of controls - and prices are going up???</p>
<p>(That is pretty much what this says.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hayden Hedges</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/09/putting-an-end-to-pricing-rumors/#comment-494348</link>
		<dc:creator>Hayden Hedges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I joined a few years back, done the premium thing, owned the land. I've watched all the changes, had VAT dumped on me without warning (not that it affected me, really) and I honestly doubt this is the death of SL.

That being said, I think all this could well be the death of my AV. I used to enjoy this place so much before. So once my current contract is up I will have to think long and hard if it's worth it.

It would appear LL have lost site of how to manage a community and started seeing members as nothing more than numbers. Such a shame.

As for post 133, some people just expect value for money. Don't rag on others for being not quite as easiliy pleased as you. i'm glad your sim is running like a gem and that you so eagerly pay through the nose for it without sparing a glance at the long term implications of the majority being unhappy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I joined a few years back, done the premium thing, owned the land. I&#8217;ve watched all the changes, had VAT dumped on me without warning (not that it affected me, really) and I honestly doubt this is the death of SL.</p>
<p>That being said, I think all this could well be the death of my AV. I used to enjoy this place so much before. So once my current contract is up I will have to think long and hard if it&#8217;s worth it.</p>
<p>It would appear LL have lost site of how to manage a community and started seeing members as nothing more than numbers. Such a shame.</p>
<p>As for post 133, some people just expect value for money. Don&#8217;t rag on others for being not quite as easiliy pleased as you. i&#8217;m glad your sim is running like a gem and that you so eagerly pay through the nose for it without sparing a glance at the long term implications of the majority being unhappy.</p>
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		<title>By: sensual fold</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/09/putting-an-end-to-pricing-rumors/#comment-494347</link>
		<dc:creator>sensual fold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you and me both detox....we search daily for a replacement...LL cares nothing for the people any more only their pockets....If anyone finds a replacement please notify us :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you and me both detox&#8230;.we search daily for a replacement&#8230;LL cares nothing for the people any more only their pockets&#8230;.If anyone finds a replacement please notify us <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Villanova Beaumont</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/09/putting-an-end-to-pricing-rumors/#comment-494346</link>
		<dc:creator>Villanova Beaumont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe SL is still in a growth phase which requires 1) to invest in the quality of the product/service and 2) to charge nothing or as little as possible to maximise user base.  

The current quality and size of SL, together with emerging competitors like www.hipihi.com), do not yet allow focus on profit.

3D virtual worlds can count on high level of forced loyalty (social connections and investments made by their residents), but those assets can also be liquidated or even migrated with a limited cost.

The VAT joke (if not legal consequences) and price increases could be letal at this stage.

Just my personal opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe SL is still in a growth phase which requires 1) to invest in the quality of the product/service and 2) to charge nothing or as little as possible to maximise user base.  </p>
<p>The current quality and size of SL, together with emerging competitors like <a href="http://www.hipihi.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hipihi.com</a>), do not yet allow focus on profit.</p>
<p>3D virtual worlds can count on high level of forced loyalty (social connections and investments made by their residents), but those assets can also be liquidated or even migrated with a limited cost.</p>
<p>The VAT joke (if not legal consequences) and price increases could be letal at this stage.</p>
<p>Just my personal opinion.</p>
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