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	<title>Comments on: New CAPTCHA System</title>
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		<title>By: Garmin Kawaguichi</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/02/new-captcha-system/#comment-490709</link>
		<dc:creator>Garmin Kawaguichi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitching, bitiching, bitching BUT you are always here.</description>
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		<title>By: DR Dahlgren</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/02/new-captcha-system/#comment-490708</link>
		<dc:creator>DR Dahlgren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a suggestion. Stop the VAT collection for the moment, and eat the difference until 1/1/2008. At that point, get rid of premium accounts entierly. Make all accounts paid, say $5 US a month. Starting immediately new accounts pay the fee, but existing do not change to the charged membership until 1/1/2008. Also dump any LL freebie money paid to accounts.  Pay the VAT out of the substanial increase in overall membership fees.

Solves several problems, makes griefing less attractive, ends some of the bots, raises revenue for LL (help compenstate for gambling revenues lost), keeps all players paying the same fees, adds a level of verification to all accounts and by waiting until 1/1/2008 to make the change, everyone gets notice. 

Downside: Everyone has to pay for alts. Those who are on tight budgets might find the membership charge are little difficult as well.

Bottom line though, if you can afford a computer and broadband to run this thing, I simply don't see how $5 US would kill anyone and do see how it might be used to better this whole world.   

I know this won't be popular, but its a thought.

DRD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a suggestion. Stop the VAT collection for the moment, and eat the difference until 1/1/2008. At that point, get rid of premium accounts entierly. Make all accounts paid, say $5 US a month. Starting immediately new accounts pay the fee, but existing do not change to the charged membership until 1/1/2008. Also dump any LL freebie money paid to accounts.  Pay the VAT out of the substanial increase in overall membership fees.</p>
<p>Solves several problems, makes griefing less attractive, ends some of the bots, raises revenue for LL (help compenstate for gambling revenues lost), keeps all players paying the same fees, adds a level of verification to all accounts and by waiting until 1/1/2008 to make the change, everyone gets notice. </p>
<p>Downside: Everyone has to pay for alts. Those who are on tight budgets might find the membership charge are little difficult as well.</p>
<p>Bottom line though, if you can afford a computer and broadband to run this thing, I simply don&#8217;t see how $5 US would kill anyone and do see how it might be used to better this whole world.   </p>
<p>I know this won&#8217;t be popular, but its a thought.</p>
<p>DRD</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Anony Mouse</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/02/new-captcha-system/#comment-490695</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Anony Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Friends Online is temporarily disabled due to technical difficulties. We'll re-enable it as soon as possible. Thanks for your patience."

How many days has it been!? I'm losing my patience...

reCAPTCHA..good idea...see I kept it on topic..:-)</description>
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<p>How many days has it been!? I&#8217;m losing my patience&#8230;</p>
<p>reCAPTCHA..good idea&#8230;see I kept it on topic..:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/02/new-captcha-system/#comment-490689</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@65

How do you suggest content creators test their products do make sure they are bug free if they don't have an ALT?

I really wouldn't know how to do it (unless bothering friends who may not be too happy about it). And I'd really rather see myself how a product functions when it is no longer used by the creator. It would be difficult to have it explained by someone else without actually seeing it.

For example scripted items can behave somewhat differnt when the permissions for the "end user" apply, so I'd rather test everything I create before it goes up for sale.

And once in a while I just want to enjoy SL, go to an event, chat with friends... without being interrupted by a customer request, and taking off a couple of hours from business once in a while is important - you do have time off from your job in RL too, don't you?

Take away the ALTs and I'm gone (or my business closed), I think a very small amount of all ALTs are used for stuff like griefing and other not so nice things.

About the VAT thing:
People say we Europeans should complain to our goverments and not LL.
Well, from a lot of the posts I read concerning VAT most of the uproar is about HOW this has been brought to us, not giving us a prior notice and applying it to the CURRENT billing circle. 

That way we didn't even have a choice to tier down land before we were actually charged with the new price, and none of the people aggreed to paying that amount when buying a certain amount of land.

Think about it in a different way - let's say you order a new flatscreen TV for 1000 USD, you signed the contract for just that amount. 2 weeks later it is delivered to you and all of a sudden the bill says you have to pay 1190, without giving you the chance to cancel that purchase? I bet you wouldn't be too happy...
I guess you would have expected to been given a CHOICE of cancelling in that case. None of the Europeans were able to "cancel", because it was applied to the CURRET circle. 
Hope you see my point.

That's not how to do things like that. There just should have been an anouncement that form XXX (no date of the current billing circle) on VAT will apply for European players, so everyone would have had enough time to think about it and make changes if they wouldn't want to pay more for their game.</description>
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<p>How do you suggest content creators test their products do make sure they are bug free if they don&#8217;t have an ALT?</p>
<p>I really wouldn&#8217;t know how to do it (unless bothering friends who may not be too happy about it). And I&#8217;d really rather see myself how a product functions when it is no longer used by the creator. It would be difficult to have it explained by someone else without actually seeing it.</p>
<p>For example scripted items can behave somewhat differnt when the permissions for the &#8220;end user&#8221; apply, so I&#8217;d rather test everything I create before it goes up for sale.</p>
<p>And once in a while I just want to enjoy SL, go to an event, chat with friends&#8230; without being interrupted by a customer request, and taking off a couple of hours from business once in a while is important - you do have time off from your job in RL too, don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Take away the ALTs and I&#8217;m gone (or my business closed), I think a very small amount of all ALTs are used for stuff like griefing and other not so nice things.</p>
<p>About the VAT thing:<br />
People say we Europeans should complain to our goverments and not LL.<br />
Well, from a lot of the posts I read concerning VAT most of the uproar is about HOW this has been brought to us, not giving us a prior notice and applying it to the CURRENT billing circle. </p>
<p>That way we didn&#8217;t even have a choice to tier down land before we were actually charged with the new price, and none of the people aggreed to paying that amount when buying a certain amount of land.</p>
<p>Think about it in a different way - let&#8217;s say you order a new flatscreen TV for 1000 USD, you signed the contract for just that amount. 2 weeks later it is delivered to you and all of a sudden the bill says you have to pay 1190, without giving you the chance to cancel that purchase? I bet you wouldn&#8217;t be too happy&#8230;<br />
I guess you would have expected to been given a CHOICE of cancelling in that case. None of the Europeans were able to &#8220;cancel&#8221;, because it was applied to the CURRET circle.<br />
Hope you see my point.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not how to do things like that. There just should have been an anouncement that form XXX (no date of the current billing circle) on VAT will apply for European players, so everyone would have had enough time to think about it and make changes if they wouldn&#8217;t want to pay more for their game.</p>
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		<title>By: U M</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/02/new-captcha-system/#comment-490688</link>
		<dc:creator>U M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugs, everyone knows atleast 40% if not more are under 18 years.</description>
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		<title>By: Donegal Ofarrel</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/02/new-captcha-system/#comment-490687</link>
		<dc:creator>Donegal Ofarrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be registered for vat. It's a nightmare to keep all the books and records necessary. However, vat doesn't just flow one way. As well as collecting the tax on behalf of the government, you can also claim back any vat you have had to pay on goods or services.

If LL is not doing this, or they have no rights in law to do this, they should simply stop collecting taxes for a foreign government. It's ludicrous.

I purchased a US product in US$ (converted sterling to $ by the bank). The last thing I expect to pay is an EU tax. The EU is trying it on. Ignore them and let them sue you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be registered for vat. It&#8217;s a nightmare to keep all the books and records necessary. However, vat doesn&#8217;t just flow one way. As well as collecting the tax on behalf of the government, you can also claim back any vat you have had to pay on goods or services.</p>
<p>If LL is not doing this, or they have no rights in law to do this, they should simply stop collecting taxes for a foreign government. It&#8217;s ludicrous.</p>
<p>I purchased a US product in US$ (converted sterling to $ by the bank). The last thing I expect to pay is an EU tax. The EU is trying it on. Ignore them and let them sue you.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivienne</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/02/new-captcha-system/#comment-490681</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...do business with people who come under the VAT umbrella they are required by law to collect VAT."

No. They were not forced. NO serious US company charges this. And if a company does (in spite of SERIOUS legal problems), the very least an european can expect that LL writes a BILL in which LL VAT number is included, so that an european can reclaim this tax as business expense. As long as LL themselves are not in accordance with EU rax laws and regulations the charging of EU tax simply illegal. Additionally this kind of tax is not meant to be used on non-business services at all.

I really wonder who talked them into this. Cause they do not earn any profit, tax money is not property of LL and not a single cent is allowed to stay at San Francisco.

The result of this decision is obvious. It will make a lot of europeans leave SL. And there must be only ONE guy fed up enough by LL desision and some european governements will start an international inquiry because of fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;do business with people who come under the VAT umbrella they are required by law to collect VAT.&#8221;</p>
<p>No. They were not forced. NO serious US company charges this. And if a company does (in spite of SERIOUS legal problems), the very least an european can expect that LL writes a BILL in which LL VAT number is included, so that an european can reclaim this tax as business expense. As long as LL themselves are not in accordance with EU rax laws and regulations the charging of EU tax simply illegal. Additionally this kind of tax is not meant to be used on non-business services at all.</p>
<p>I really wonder who talked them into this. Cause they do not earn any profit, tax money is not property of LL and not a single cent is allowed to stay at San Francisco.</p>
<p>The result of this decision is obvious. It will make a lot of europeans leave SL. And there must be only ONE guy fed up enough by LL desision and some european governements will start an international inquiry because of fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: IntLibber Brautigan</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/02/new-captcha-system/#comment-490680</link>
		<dc:creator>IntLibber Brautigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of you against VAT in SL should be marching against your own goverments that YOU voted for. Europeans perpetually brag about how much more civilized their countries are due to their cradle to grave welfare systems, paid for by VAT and massive energy taxes (never spent on reducing emissions). People get the government they deserve.

Just as the wagering rule change demonstrated the power of one law (and LL is, defacto, the "State" in SL) to destroy an economy, LL acquiescing to the EU ruling on VAT is a further lesson to those in need of an education: stop voting for governments that will tax you to death, or else vote with your feet and your dollars/euros.

In this dase, vote with both and move off the mainland to our estates (many euros lives and work here happily already). We will also accept sim transfers with RL contracts respecting and protecting your property rights.

I suspect the source of the EU ruling is lobbying by the Finnish Entropia Universe in a bid for some protectionism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of you against VAT in SL should be marching against your own goverments that YOU voted for. Europeans perpetually brag about how much more civilized their countries are due to their cradle to grave welfare systems, paid for by VAT and massive energy taxes (never spent on reducing emissions). People get the government they deserve.</p>
<p>Just as the wagering rule change demonstrated the power of one law (and LL is, defacto, the &#8220;State&#8221; in SL) to destroy an economy, LL acquiescing to the EU ruling on VAT is a further lesson to those in need of an education: stop voting for governments that will tax you to death, or else vote with your feet and your dollars/euros.</p>
<p>In this dase, vote with both and move off the mainland to our estates (many euros lives and work here happily already). We will also accept sim transfers with RL contracts respecting and protecting your property rights.</p>
<p>I suspect the source of the EU ruling is lobbying by the Finnish Entropia Universe in a bid for some protectionism.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat Gisel</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/02/new-captcha-system/#comment-490675</link>
		<dc:creator>Cat Gisel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't understand VAT as much as I wish I did, but I thought it was something imposed by the goverments, and not by the company?  If LL is being TOLD to charge customers, To me this says they have no choice in the matter.  Sounds like EU governments see a chance for more revenue and are taking it.  If not, please help me understand.  If so, why are people bashing LL?  Just cause they can?  If they (LL) are keeping the change, that's another story, and in the USA pocketing tax is a BIG (translated: BIG)  no no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand VAT as much as I wish I did, but I thought it was something imposed by the goverments, and not by the company?  If LL is being TOLD to charge customers, To me this says they have no choice in the matter.  Sounds like EU governments see a chance for more revenue and are taking it.  If not, please help me understand.  If so, why are people bashing LL?  Just cause they can?  If they (LL) are keeping the change, that&#8217;s another story, and in the USA pocketing tax is a BIG (translated: BIG)  no no.</p>
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		<title>By: ari blackthorne</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/02/new-captcha-system/#comment-490671</link>
		<dc:creator>ari blackthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@41: Chronic Skronski

DITTO!  Heh</description>
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<p>DITTO!  Heh</p>
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