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		<title>By: The Melville Salon &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 13 September 2007 &#8212; Deb&#8217;s Beach Saves the Day</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/#comment-475978</link>
		<dc:creator>The Melville Salon &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 13 September 2007 &#8212; Deb&#8217;s Beach Saves the Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 05:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Labs started a new music development mailing list for people interested in music in SecondLife. Almost immediately a kerfuffle erupted between [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MetaMusic &#171; Dizzy Banjo - Soundtracking Virtual Worlds</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/#comment-475746</link>
		<dc:creator>MetaMusic &#171; Dizzy Banjo - Soundtracking Virtual Worlds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all the recent discussions on the second life music development mailing list I met up with a few people from the list over at Ramonia. We had a great time floating around in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Second Life Music Development Mailing List &#171; Dizzy Banjo</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/#comment-472956</link>
		<dc:creator>Second Life Music Development Mailing List &#171; Dizzy Banjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Labs have started a Second Life Music Development mailing list. I&#8217;m not sure why they chose this format and not a forum, but there is a genuine desire to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JackJack Oh</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/#comment-471715</link>
		<dc:creator>JackJack Oh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[OT] can somebody explain to a Basic Account why i'm blocked by the Risk Api? Documentation on risk api are really smoky and unattendible, my attemp to contact LL took me nowhere, I just need to know why i had been blocked and how to get out from it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[OT] can somebody explain to a Basic Account why i&#8217;m blocked by the Risk Api? Documentation on risk api are really smoky and unattendible, my attemp to contact LL took me nowhere, I just need to know why i had been blocked and how to get out from it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nexeus Fatale &#187; Live Music Listings in Second Life (an observational analysis)</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/#comment-469640</link>
		<dc:creator>Nexeus Fatale &#187; Live Music Listings in Second Life (an observational analysis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] joining the Second Life Music Development Mailing List (see: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/) one of the many topics that were brought up concerned the use of the Live Music event listing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] joining the Second Life Music Development Mailing List (see: <a href="http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/</a>) one of the many topics that were brought up concerned the use of the Live Music event listing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JeanChristophe Chevalier</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/#comment-466517</link>
		<dc:creator>JeanChristophe Chevalier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@61 "It's a law" ! Very big problem ! Which law ? US law ? GB law ? France law ? For instance, a musician who plays in USA has to pay a license... in France, it's the venue owner who have to pay the license ! And in SL, who has to pay a license for music played from France ? and to whom ? Laws...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@61 &#8220;It&#8217;s a law&#8221; ! Very big problem ! Which law ? US law ? GB law ? France law ? For instance, a musician who plays in USA has to pay a license&#8230; in France, it&#8217;s the venue owner who have to pay the license ! And in SL, who has to pay a license for music played from France ? and to whom ? Laws&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/#comment-465831</link>
		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 03:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@35 fluf i afree in the most about your postand this isnt directected at you there are certain posts that end up in every blog and no matter what is blogged its always the same posts from same people,yes sl needs a lot of sorting and as i said im first to tell them but this isnt a new feature coming this is a post for ideas how to make sl a more viable music platform and if that would bring in bands id rather hear these ideas,then if something unreasonable is proposed by the lindens i will voice concerns,I do understand everyones fears though as yeah over the past year we have lost our voices and only ever get an assurance on the blogs that main priority etc is us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@35 fluf i afree in the most about your postand this isnt directected at you there are certain posts that end up in every blog and no matter what is blogged its always the same posts from same people,yes sl needs a lot of sorting and as i said im first to tell them but this isnt a new feature coming this is a post for ideas how to make sl a more viable music platform and if that would bring in bands id rather hear these ideas,then if something unreasonable is proposed by the lindens i will voice concerns,I do understand everyones fears though as yeah over the past year we have lost our voices and only ever get an assurance on the blogs that main priority etc is us.</p>
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		<title>By: Lina Pussycat</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/#comment-465063</link>
		<dc:creator>Lina Pussycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@67 Alot of DJ's are musicians or music producers as well as being Dj's a live mixing dj is considered a live musician so its more ignorant of you to think that DJ's arnt musicians just because they may not play the type of music you do or play the music directly  And pardon but alot of "live" things that people claim to be live are in fact prerecorded shows directly made for SL. I've seen this numerous times as well as people singing covers etc blocking out vocals on certain songs..

There are diff types of live music DJ's are by trade musicians just not in the traditional sense of sitting there and playing an instrument. Yes there are some internet radio dj's which alot of the time they playlist tracks but a DJ itself is a musician there are varying degrees of dj's so at least get that straight. A playlist DJ is not a musician in a traditional sense but is in fact still a live performer. A music producer DJ'ing/Playlisting their own tracks is a musician. A DJ Live mixing vinyl doing track cuts and remixes and mashups is a musician. 

And all of them are considered to be live musicians/performer. There is more to a performance of a DJ then simply playing songs. There is interaction with a crowd being able to work it and many other things that go along with being a live performer that many people that take the role "live musician" or "musician" seem to be snobby about and overlook just because they dont want to tie them into the same pool but im afraid to say your all in it together.

Saying a DJ isnt a live performer/musician is a more ignorant statement then claiming they are not. In fact the very person (Slim Warrior) is an Electronic/Ambient producer who has done festivals and the like what she does would be considered DJ'ing when put to SL and in fact the festival i know she was at was a DJ festival/Electronic music festival. So are you in fact turning around and then claiming that she isnt a live musician because to me that is even if the tracks may be prerecorded for a show. 

Electronica is hard to do 100% live lets face it thats why alot of them operate the way they do so really just get over yourself. Just because you dont think a DJ constitutes a live performer/musician doesnt make it so. You have to look at the whole picture there. Electronic music has become alot more popular and is quite big in SL ousting those people as live performers is a bit daft as they make up the majority of the live music scene. 

A club's DJ only lists under Nightlife/Entertainment because of the simple fact the venue/event isnt setup as something that is live but i assure you i could easily list alot of the DJ's that work for me under live music as they mix live and some produce their own tracks...

As far as ways to really improve the music scene in SL there are ways. But at the same time some of these ways involve the artists sucking it up and looking at themselves and doing things for the Music rather then to make money or "cover themselves" which when i think about it what are their costs directly? I mean are they in a studio session where they are renting time being unable to interact with their crowd etc. And if they arnt are they going out and renting equipment specifically for an SL show.

And if they have the equipment needed before hand what costs other then time? At republik we have had live performers. Montage (underground Electro Punk band from Brazil) And Galaxy Girl. No word of pay came up to them they never asked because our venue does it for the music not money. The key factor is publicity and getting your name out there for both the club and the live performer. Not all clubs are made of money and some artists seem to think that some people have this mass expendable income. (which some places do but alot of us dont) 

It can be mutually beneficial to both parties if a performer shows up. If you say have a CD you sell and people like the music plug the site on banners or decorate certain ways etc there are ways to earn income from these events and get your name out there without having to charge the venue owners of places who are already quite often paying alot so as it is. Plugging events on the main page and the sl login would be good listed under the live performance category..... Making sure to randomize it so not one list of events takes up the entire screen....

For artists there are alot of publicity mediums out there available for free as well and if all else fails word of mouth is still a powerful tool...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@67 Alot of DJ&#8217;s are musicians or music producers as well as being Dj&#8217;s a live mixing dj is considered a live musician so its more ignorant of you to think that DJ&#8217;s arnt musicians just because they may not play the type of music you do or play the music directly  And pardon but alot of &#8220;live&#8221; things that people claim to be live are in fact prerecorded shows directly made for SL. I&#8217;ve seen this numerous times as well as people singing covers etc blocking out vocals on certain songs..</p>
<p>There are diff types of live music DJ&#8217;s are by trade musicians just not in the traditional sense of sitting there and playing an instrument. Yes there are some internet radio dj&#8217;s which alot of the time they playlist tracks but a DJ itself is a musician there are varying degrees of dj&#8217;s so at least get that straight. A playlist DJ is not a musician in a traditional sense but is in fact still a live performer. A music producer DJ&#8217;ing/Playlisting their own tracks is a musician. A DJ Live mixing vinyl doing track cuts and remixes and mashups is a musician. </p>
<p>And all of them are considered to be live musicians/performer. There is more to a performance of a DJ then simply playing songs. There is interaction with a crowd being able to work it and many other things that go along with being a live performer that many people that take the role &#8220;live musician&#8221; or &#8220;musician&#8221; seem to be snobby about and overlook just because they dont want to tie them into the same pool but im afraid to say your all in it together.</p>
<p>Saying a DJ isnt a live performer/musician is a more ignorant statement then claiming they are not. In fact the very person (Slim Warrior) is an Electronic/Ambient producer who has done festivals and the like what she does would be considered DJ&#8217;ing when put to SL and in fact the festival i know she was at was a DJ festival/Electronic music festival. So are you in fact turning around and then claiming that she isnt a live musician because to me that is even if the tracks may be prerecorded for a show. </p>
<p>Electronica is hard to do 100% live lets face it thats why alot of them operate the way they do so really just get over yourself. Just because you dont think a DJ constitutes a live performer/musician doesnt make it so. You have to look at the whole picture there. Electronic music has become alot more popular and is quite big in SL ousting those people as live performers is a bit daft as they make up the majority of the live music scene. </p>
<p>A club&#8217;s DJ only lists under Nightlife/Entertainment because of the simple fact the venue/event isnt setup as something that is live but i assure you i could easily list alot of the DJ&#8217;s that work for me under live music as they mix live and some produce their own tracks&#8230;</p>
<p>As far as ways to really improve the music scene in SL there are ways. But at the same time some of these ways involve the artists sucking it up and looking at themselves and doing things for the Music rather then to make money or &#8220;cover themselves&#8221; which when i think about it what are their costs directly? I mean are they in a studio session where they are renting time being unable to interact with their crowd etc. And if they arnt are they going out and renting equipment specifically for an SL show.</p>
<p>And if they have the equipment needed before hand what costs other then time? At republik we have had live performers. Montage (underground Electro Punk band from Brazil) And Galaxy Girl. No word of pay came up to them they never asked because our venue does it for the music not money. The key factor is publicity and getting your name out there for both the club and the live performer. Not all clubs are made of money and some artists seem to think that some people have this mass expendable income. (which some places do but alot of us dont) </p>
<p>It can be mutually beneficial to both parties if a performer shows up. If you say have a CD you sell and people like the music plug the site on banners or decorate certain ways etc there are ways to earn income from these events and get your name out there without having to charge the venue owners of places who are already quite often paying alot so as it is. Plugging events on the main page and the sl login would be good listed under the live performance category&#8230;.. Making sure to randomize it so not one list of events takes up the entire screen&#8230;.</p>
<p>For artists there are alot of publicity mediums out there available for free as well and if all else fails word of mouth is still a powerful tool&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kaklick Martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/#comment-464365</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaklick Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LL forums are all but dead, and LL interaction on them IS dead - the LL blog is the only place left for what you're seeking. RSS is far from bullet-proof and you /can/ filter email.</description>
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		<title>By: Chronic Skronski</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/31/music-development-mailing-list/#comment-464286</link>
		<dc:creator>Chronic Skronski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, LL should have added it to their official forums then.  The mailing list turned into just another pile of blog comments.  Sure, there is fragmentation - but I would much prefer joining a discussion I can keep track of and that does not spam my email with posts from non-musicians telling musicians what they should be doing.  It was a good idea until the... hell, no it wasn't.  A forum is FAR more logical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, LL should have added it to their official forums then.  The mailing list turned into just another pile of blog comments.  Sure, there is fragmentation - but I would much prefer joining a discussion I can keep track of and that does not spam my email with posts from non-musicians telling musicians what they should be doing.  It was a good idea until the&#8230; hell, no it wasn&#8217;t.  A forum is FAR more logical.</p>
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