Comments on: Identity Verification Comes to Second Life http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/ By Linden Lab Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:35:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Klaatu Congrejo http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456849 Klaatu Congrejo Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:21:47 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456849 @5 Phil raises a good point. Giving such information to an unknown company like Aristotle's Integrity (you need to tell us exactly WHO these people are Robin!) could mean you are breaking laws - and in some countries these may be anti-terrorism laws! This could be a dangerous legal minefield! @8 Good point Kristian! Yes Robin, why IS gender an important issue here? Asking a person to verify their gender could be breaking anti-sexism laws in some countries. I think that may be the case here in Australia! @12 I agree Siobhan, lol. Will those landowners who choose NOT to verify be able to ban those who DO verify? @16 How silly of you to jump in so quickly Mattie. This debate has a long way to go yet, and you may be compromising yourself with your eagerness! Now, I have a few questions: 1. "...ID verification provides an additional layer of trust for in-world businesses and residents." Does this mean that if I choose NOT to verify I will be flagged in my Profile as 'unverified', signalling to everyone that I have commercial dealings with that I am considered untrustworthy? 2. If I do not intend to have restricted content on any of my lands, and if I do not ever intend to visit any restricted content lands - then why do I need to verify anyway? (Its just like if I never go into a bar I never need to prove my age, right?). 3. You say that "ID verification will only be required at this time for access to restricted content". Does this mean you are leaving open the option for ID verification requirements to eventually be extended to other areas of SL? 4. What other reassurances (apart from your words on this blog) can you give us that our ID information will not be stored anywhere and, in particular, if Linden Labs are not going to have the information (as you say) why do we not get some reassurance from Aristotle's Integrity that the information will not be stored? 5. Will Integrity, as a foreign-owned company outside of Linden Labs, be providing us with legally-binding confirmation that all SL residents personal details will be destroyed after the verification process? 6. Does Linden Labs intend to employ any kind of independent verification of Integrity's assurances? Some of the questions raised here, and elsewhere in this blog, need immediate answers if this is going to work at all - and some other questions raise issues that will undoubtedly bring up even more questions. I am not yet satisfied or reassured that the process you are proposing is secure or, in some instances, even legal! Robin, this debate STILL has a long way to go my friend. @5 Phil raises a good point. Giving such information to an unknown company like Aristotle’s Integrity (you need to tell us exactly WHO these people are Robin!) could mean you are breaking laws - and in some countries these may be anti-terrorism laws! This could be a dangerous legal minefield!

@8 Good point Kristian! Yes Robin, why IS gender an important issue here? Asking a person to verify their gender could be breaking anti-sexism laws in some countries. I think that may be the case here in Australia!

@12 I agree Siobhan, lol. Will those landowners who choose NOT to verify be able to ban those who DO verify?

@16 How silly of you to jump in so quickly Mattie. This debate has a long way to go yet, and you may be compromising yourself with your eagerness!

Now, I have a few questions:

1. “…ID verification provides an additional layer of trust for in-world businesses and residents.” Does this mean that if I choose NOT to verify I will be flagged in my Profile as ‘unverified’, signalling to everyone that I have commercial dealings with that I am considered untrustworthy?

2. If I do not intend to have restricted content on any of my lands, and if I do not ever intend to visit any restricted content lands - then why do I need to verify anyway? (Its just like if I never go into a bar I never need to prove my age, right?).

3. You say that “ID verification will only be required at this time for access to restricted content”. Does this mean you are leaving open the option for ID verification requirements to eventually be extended to other areas of SL?

4. What other reassurances (apart from your words on this blog) can you give us that our ID information will not be stored anywhere and, in particular, if Linden Labs are not going to have the information (as you say) why do we not get some reassurance from Aristotle’s Integrity that the information will not be stored?

5. Will Integrity, as a foreign-owned company outside of Linden Labs, be providing us with legally-binding confirmation that all SL residents personal details will be destroyed after the verification process?

6. Does Linden Labs intend to employ any kind of independent verification of Integrity’s assurances?

Some of the questions raised here, and elsewhere in this blog, need immediate answers if this is going to work at all - and some other questions raise issues that will undoubtedly bring up even more questions.

I am not yet satisfied or reassured that the process you are proposing is secure or, in some instances, even legal!

Robin, this debate STILL has a long way to go my friend.

]]> By: GoogleMama http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456848 GoogleMama Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:21:45 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456848 GOODBYE SL, IT WAS NICE KNOWING YOU!!! /WAVE GOODBYE SL, IT WAS NICE KNOWING YOU!!! /WAVE

]]> By: Chrysala http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456847 Chrysala Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:21:38 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456847 @95 have you read the whining or just though "whiners"? it's about the info on a list owned by integrity. you're on it now. smooth move. you're secure from nothing but sure of of traffic. you could have made an access list without losing personal data. smoth move. puppet. @95

have you read the whining or just though “whiners”?

it’s about the info on a list owned by integrity.

you’re on it now.

smooth move.

you’re secure from nothing but sure of of traffic. you could have made an access list without losing personal data.

smoth move.

puppet.

]]> By: Panacea Pangaea http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456844 Panacea Pangaea Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:21:13 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456844 What concerns me is that while there are certain protections for US citizens against US government surveillance and interception of data, the protections against this for communications originating outside the US is almost no-existent. From a BBC article by Bill Thompson **: "I can choose to live without a mobile, avoid cafes that insist on spying on their customers and stop using Twitter. I can campaign against the local authority's decision to install CCTV in my town, argue with my local MP about the limits of the state's right to watch what I'm doing, and influence the debate in this country or even more widely in Europe. "But I have no control, influence or even clear understanding of what the government of a supposedly friendly superpower is doing with the information it gleans from Google, Facebook, Linden Labs, Yahoo!, MSN, Apple and the many other US corporations that service my online life. "Perhaps we need to rethink our reliance on the US for our network services, if the government there persists in treating every non-US citizen as a source of intelligence data rather than an individual with their own rights and freedoms." ** http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6958615.stm What concerns me is that while there are certain protections for US citizens against US government surveillance and interception of data, the protections against this for communications originating outside the US is almost no-existent.

From a BBC article by Bill Thompson **:

“I can choose to live without a mobile, avoid cafes that insist on spying on their customers and stop using Twitter. I can campaign against the local authority’s decision to install CCTV in my town, argue with my local MP about the limits of the state’s right to watch what I’m doing, and influence the debate in this country or even more widely in Europe.

“But I have no control, influence or even clear understanding of what the government of a supposedly friendly superpower is doing with the information it gleans from Google, Facebook, Linden Labs, Yahoo!, MSN, Apple and the many other US corporations that service my online life.

“Perhaps we need to rethink our reliance on the US for our network services, if the government there persists in treating every non-US citizen as a source of intelligence data rather than an individual with their own rights and freedoms.”

** http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6958615.stm

]]> By: Kahni Poitier http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456842 Kahni Poitier Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:21:04 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456842 I don't trust this at all. I'd guarantee the info is going to be stored, and it'll just be used to prosecute people for actions in a VIRTUAL world, and so they can roll out the taxes. I don’t trust this at all. I’d guarantee the info is going to be stored, and it’ll just be used to prosecute people for actions in a VIRTUAL world, and so they can roll out the taxes.

]]> By: RafaelCortes Altamura http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456840 RafaelCortes Altamura Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:20:46 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456840 Please get a verification for bad people too like @21...would be a much better and more honest place, if ppl like 21 vanish from here...there are sooo many Wannabees, but SL is no place for Wannabees, after a short while your verification is behaviour and 21 has none of that. Maybe you make 100 questions for real human, so SL dont get a great garbage can, like 21 ;) Please get a verification for bad people too like @21…would be a much better and more honest place, if ppl like 21 vanish from here…there are sooo many Wannabees, but SL is no place for Wannabees, after a short while your verification is behaviour and 21 has none of that.
Maybe you make 100 questions for real human, so SL dont get a great garbage can, like 21 ;)

]]> By: Arashiko Kobayashi http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456837 Arashiko Kobayashi Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:20:36 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456837 One of the things that Aristotle mentions on the Integrity website is that they indemnify customers against legal liability for underage access. Given the legal pressure that LL has been getting, I'm not sure there's much alternative between "show we are making a good faith effort to verify age" and "ban adult content." I'm sure that the latter would go over like the proverbial lead balloon. One of the things that Aristotle mentions on the Integrity website is that they indemnify customers against legal liability for underage access. Given the legal pressure that LL has been getting, I’m not sure there’s much alternative between “show we are making a good faith effort to verify age” and “ban adult content.” I’m sure that the latter would go over like the proverbial lead balloon.

]]> By: CrimsonWings Eun http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456834 CrimsonWings Eun Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:20:16 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456834 yea...this is nice and all but the question is should WE (the residents of SL and the lindens) be protecting minors? i thought that was the job of the parents. what this is doing is shouldering the burden that should be the parents/guardians responsibility. all i can say is "congrats LL for making another half-assed attempt at something that should be handled privately (as in a family-by-family basis) instead of making everyone suffer....the only reason i would do this is im an estate manager and i represent the sim i manage...im disappointed in LL for trying to pull this again. Im wondering if they learned that ANYTHING that has us put our personal info out there just to access certain parts of SL is going to be met with intense negative response. I dont know how many times this has been proven but let me put it in nice big letters: AGE/IDENTITY VERIFICATION IS THE WORST IDEA FOR THE GRID EVER!!! yea…this is nice and all but the question is should WE (the residents of SL and the lindens) be protecting minors? i thought that was the job of the parents. what this is doing is shouldering the burden that should be the parents/guardians responsibility. all i can say is “congrats LL for making another half-assed attempt at something that should be handled privately (as in a family-by-family basis) instead of making everyone suffer….the only reason i would do this is im an estate manager and i represent the sim i manage…im disappointed in LL for trying to pull this again. Im wondering if they learned that ANYTHING that has us put our personal info out there just to access certain parts of SL is going to be met with intense negative response. I dont know how many times this has been proven but let me put it in nice big letters: AGE/IDENTITY VERIFICATION IS THE WORST IDEA FOR THE GRID EVER!!!

]]> By: Danira Noel http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456833 Danira Noel Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:20:12 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456833 Where is the age verification form? I can't even find it to look at it! Where is the age verification form? I can’t even find it to look at it!

]]> By: Foxxe Wilder http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456832 Foxxe Wilder Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:19:54 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/identity-verification-comes-to-second-life/#comment-456832 Nice try but it's A VERY FOOLISH IDEA! Move the Linden Offices to a truly FREE country, FREE of military oppression and dictatorship and I'd go for it. I mean, REALLY! Who can trust the US gov't THESE DAYS NOT to steal info! Also... I agree FULL HEARTEDLY with GoogleMama. Nice try but it’s A VERY FOOLISH IDEA! Move the Linden Offices to a truly FREE country, FREE of military oppression and dictatorship and I’d go for it.

I mean, REALLY! Who can trust the US gov’t THESE DAYS NOT to steal info!

Also… I agree FULL HEARTEDLY with GoogleMama.

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