Updated Voice First Look
Friday, July 27th, 2007 at 4:01 PM by: Stephany LindenAn updated, optional Voice First Look viewer is available for download on the First Look webpage. A mandatory Voice First Look will be released this Monday. Monday’s mandatory Voice First Look will be the last one we release - after that, voice will be available as a feature in the main viewer.
Today’s optional Voice First Look includes a long list of fixes (those of you who have been using the Voice First Look know *exactly* how long that list is). If you’re interested, please read the complete release notes on the fixes we’ve made. The voice team could not have found, reproduced, narrowed down, and fixed all of these issues without the help of Residents who have taken the time to post Public JIRA bugs and feature requests, and share their thoughts at open office hours and in-world bug triage meetings. Thank you.
Today’s optional release includes a few other highlights, including a voice set-up wizard that appears upon login, during first voice use, to help Residents quickly set up voice.
A new voice preference enables all Residents to “Only accept calls from My Friends” if you wish.
By popular demand, we’ve also added a mic tuning feature that allows Residents to adjust their own mic volume and settings from within the viewer (i.e., outside of system preferences/settings). The mic tuner is included in the voice set-up wizard and can also be accessed via the new “device settings” in Edit > Preferences > Voice Chat.
Finally, this release lets callers know if a Resident they’re trying to reach is offline, when a caller attempts to start a one-to-one voice conversation with another Resident.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:07 PM
Good because I happen to like the voice capcity in SL
I appreciate your work LL keep it up!
A Happy Resident
July 27th, 2007 at 4:07 PM
Where is the linux voice first look? 8-(
July 27th, 2007 at 4:10 PM
oh, and the windows link is broken…
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July 27th, 2007 at 4:11 PM
It says page cannot be found?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:11 PM
Cool, I like new stuff and fixes , keep them coming, we’re getting bored
July 27th, 2007 at 4:11 PM
I just wish to express my gratitude for all the hard work that has taken place with the voice viewers. It is the greatest invention since *ponders* .. Nutella and Bread .. ~Dr Boyoma
July 27th, 2007 at 4:12 PM
well, last voice firstlook.. does this mean we get to play again with windlight, next?
*crosses fingers for it*
to say something vaguely on topic: I like the communicate window, though Ill spend some JIRA time regarding that one.. one or two things I dont like. hope those issues already exist
July 27th, 2007 at 4:12 PM
Download link is broken? I tried both IE and Firefox.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Yep, link is broken, here’s the correct one:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/firstlook-secondlife-com/Second Life 1-18-1-134 Voice First Look Setup.exe
July 27th, 2007 at 4:20 PM
Well, well, well… And guess what? No info about Voice on Linux client… Not even if anyone is working on that or if we should forget about it.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:24 PM
does this include a fix to the the Mute buttons and The way the IM’s and such are Because I kinda like how the View is on the Normal client and would hate for that to change
July 27th, 2007 at 4:29 PM
hope this fixes the sudden inventory loss i have been spending the afternoon filing bug reports and note cards to vendors since the rolling restart.
Getting the failure to rezz message and guess what poof its gone from your inventory. word of caution folks hold on to your money or make sure the store has a good customer service policy before buying.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:35 PM
So uh… what happened to listen to both camera and avatar position?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:38 PM
Woot? Goodbye iTunes + Firefox + SL at the same time! X.X
July 27th, 2007 at 4:40 PM
@Brett: These issues are (I think) due to inventory file corruptions. And due to the amount of sims you’ve got there on ya grid (4,000!!!), sending and recieving the list can worn it out when you reach about 10,000 teleports lol.
Surprisingly, we got none of those issues here.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:42 PM
If voice makes it into the main client while retaining the horrible new chat interface, I, for one, will start looking to outside sources such as the Open Source client for my main SL client software.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:43 PM
Ctr+Alt+6 keyboard command is now broken
July 27th, 2007 at 4:45 PM
Can someone please post a link to the release notes, so those of us who are unwilling to waste time downloading this client can at least see what has supposedly been fixed?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:55 PM
and figures, Salin should have voice enabled, all setings done and a “to make sure” restart of the sim and no voice as promised, not even with the new FL viewer
btw, can u PLZ remove the damn black chat bbl when speaking when history is open? kthx
July 27th, 2007 at 5:02 PM
Voice is a great thing…and its great that your fixing bugs…
but where is the linux version?…Its troublesome to have to use windows to use the voice…
also the new friends/groups/history window…is horrible…there needs to be an option to use the ‘classic’ style or something!
July 27th, 2007 at 5:06 PM
@Ahzzmandius Werribee:
The voice vendor, Vivox, is *still* working on a Linux binary blob. Tofu Linden is pretty much at Vivox’s mercy, but already set up when they do get done.
On the bright side though, the first WindLight viewer worked okay on Linux, and streaming movies should be landing in the 1.19 viewer release.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:07 PM
no voice?
disable it in the land options for a few seconds, then reable it to “private spacial” to keep it to the parcel
for some stupid reason it has to be toggled
July 27th, 2007 at 5:12 PM
Oh cool! More enhancement! =]
July 27th, 2007 at 5:16 PM
why the hell am i getting a popup every few minutes asking me if i want to join or decline a voice call when i have VOICE CHAT DISABLED?
July 27th, 2007 at 5:22 PM
@ 18
because linden labs loves you to listen to all the insults.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:27 PM
So what’s the big deal here? I have been on SL for a few months, and using Skype and Chatting and IM has not been a problem, I have no intention of using the voice thing in Sl, as mentioned by the above user, I don’t need popups from everyone wanting to try out their voice stuff. At least with chat, you can see it all without choosing which oe you want to read. In a priovate setting, the voice may be a nice tool, like skype. Hope it isnt just another toy that doesnt work well and causes increases in Lag….
July 27th, 2007 at 5:32 PM
Cool, more bugs, maybe Torley can spin this into something banal
July 27th, 2007 at 5:35 PM
well, i doubt that he can spin anthing any longer - they simplay start losing their user base. especially those who are not only in it for poseball hopping and who bring in the money and who are ignored as if they were not into SL are treated as if they never had been there.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:55 PM
I am going to stream internet radio, route it to mixer so everywhere I go, you may here Mozart.
Tapping foot, waiting for WindLight!
July 27th, 2007 at 5:57 PM
Stephany!! YOU ROCK!! WTG!!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 6:20 PM
actually the loss happened at two diff stores and one in my store which I am warning customers and letting them know I will fix it if they lose it.
As for you inventory disapeering after x amount of teleports. Now there is really something wrong with that picture.
I hope that was just a joke.
I can eat 900l but if my inventory has what sounds like a experation period after you tp some many times then whats the point in buying or selling?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:26 PM
Release notes?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:31 PM
Hi ..the developers have done a wonderful job creating SL. BUT both the main viewer and the newest First look STILL CRASHES EXCESSIVELY if you have Streaming ON.
Also the new COMMUNICATION Window really sux. Its too Bulky/Big. CONTACTS/FRIENDS LIST does NOT belong there. I see you are trying to make those options/tools more compact BUT you have done just the opposite.
One other thing, LANDMARKS should have its OWN BUTTON. Isnt that used the most? Make one of the rarely used buttons disappear into inventory.
Sorry ..just a user being honest.
Thank you.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:33 PM
Why has there been mega lag asince the power outtages, and mow even more mega lag after this rolling restart?
Any more info on how several hundred sims could possbily have got missed in this rolling fiasco?
What happened to not doing things on a Friday afternoon like you promised?
Do you know what you are doing at all?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:37 PM
Hey guys, good job on a feature nobody likes or wants. You must be proud.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:38 PM
THANKS!!! I don’t know what your regular friday BS entailed, but when I finally am able to log on, I immediately crash all of a sudden. Another great weekend!!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 6:45 PM
The following issues have not been addressed:
Performance issues:
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1830
Voice audio lag, Voice choppy and broken up.
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1542
Mac viewer does not allowe you to specify audio devices.
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1411
Mac first look client borked.
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1208.
also check these out.
there seems to be more unresolved issues then resolved issues.
Your attention to these important issues would be greatly appreciated.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:47 PM
also check these out.
there seems to be more unresolved issues then resolved issues.
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR/component/10050
oops forgot to add that last link.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:57 PM
from what I have seen with voice, if it is to be a regular viewer…there must be moderation tools. Can not ban all voice spammers on the estates.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:59 PM
I like the way this update walks you through the preferences when you start it the first time. Good feature.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:01 PM
i love using Voice, both in SL public and one-on-one, also group IM conferences. LOVE IT. however, talking to my friends and clients isn’t enough to distract from the inventory loss problems, as well as the building/placing object problems.
the Communication button takes some getting used to, i still look for the “Friends” button constantly. i wonder if the GUI people realize they can make different length buttons for different words?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:07 PM
Still showing VWR-1317 as “unresolved”.
Come on guys, this shouldn’t be hard to do. We don’t need the dot to pulse or anything, we don’t need to know if they’re speaking or if they’re listing to any particular channel… but we ABSOLUTELY need to know who’s using voice and who isn’t, dammit. It’s not like it’s going to cause a lot of bandwidth use… only ONE BIT of data per avatar when they come into view or change the status. How hard can that be?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:23 PM
Some unofficial documentation of release notes for First Look Voice can be found here:
http://www.slhistory.org/index.php/Version_1.18.0
and here:
http://www.slhistory.org/index.php/Version_1.18.1
Just click the First Look category (divided by release version, then release client version (i.e. 1.x.x -> Final/First Look/Beta)).
Not sure where official documentation is nowdays. The ones on the official wiki are a couple versions behind:
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes
July 27th, 2007 at 7:28 PM
P.s. There is still no way to separate Groups/Friends from Near Me/Communicate window. Which many have asked and voted for on the Jira.
The people have spoken LL! THIS FEATURE SUCKS! FIX IT ALREADY! STOP IGNORING THIS BECAUSE IT’S SOME LINDEN’S WET DREAM!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:29 PM
But, us RL mutes are still treated like second class citizens.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:34 PM
I’m still crashing on login. Is anyone else still having this problem?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:45 PM
I believe the lindens are doing their best , so we could help by clicking the bug report button hehe….I found it quite fine to use except for a few bugs here and there , which can be fixed..But I agree on the Estate ban on some people who might….say shout vulgarities..through the sim lol
July 27th, 2007 at 8:05 PM
Antonius, thank you for the info about Linux stuff… yeah, i’ve forgot to ask about movies… Where did you read it will come on 1.19?
July 27th, 2007 at 8:23 PM
oh gesh did they even borth looking at the crashes reports! No, here we go again!!!!!!!!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 8:25 PM
Yes, the voice is awesome! Almost as good as going out… without spending as much money on horrible drinks and … well never mind
July 27th, 2007 at 8:38 PM
Hmmmm.. ANOTHER weekend of losing inventory after a rolling restart ; the usual…. KUDOS LL….
July 27th, 2007 at 8:41 PM
thank you sirs
July 27th, 2007 at 8:55 PM
who cares about voice when textures won’t fully load/rez? sl is nothing without the full graphics capability so stop worrying about shinies and make the core functionality work right.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:56 PM
Tabs are evil. Now the “Communicate” window has both horizontal and vertical tabs.
So when this client is forced on us, I now have a chat history window that has to be taller than I like, and no more separate IM window from local chat history.
I didn’t participate much in beta because voice is a feature I do not want to use. It didn’t occur to me that I’d have to participate to defend against the lost of flexibility in the UI for text chat.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:58 PM
When arriving back after the rolling update i find the sim my land is in running like shit. Rubberbanding all the time, time-dilation at 0.55 continiously. A tp to linden estate service brings me to the 2nd floor of an empty house. An inspection in ctrl-shift-1 to see i have no packet loss, and no ping either, those seem simply cut. Well done guys, Friday, everyone gone. sim running at poor performance. Ill remember how you laughed at us, on request to not do an update on fridays. In stead of finally getting some work done, ill be running and trying to get someone to reset the sim.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:04 PM
@39 Ann
…DAMN STRAIGHT!
LL, fix the damn texturing and laggy stuff and items disapearing before you get stuck itno tryign to fix the new stuff >.< that would be helpful, especially the texturing T.T we need our graphics workign better!
July 27th, 2007 at 9:04 PM
I tried voice beta in SL and it was working great, but when they switched to first viewer i could not use it, nobody could hear me or i could hear them, i tried numerous times calling lindens and nobody else responded, im trying to download this maybe this will fix it! i hope so! because LL’s customer service sucks, i contacted many lindens and they all switch their “Online” status off so people won’t bother them! I tried their “Linden village” aka “their offices” nobody is there! There is no customer service anymore…
Ill let you know if this worked or not!
July 27th, 2007 at 9:12 PM
I have no intention of ever using voice so why is it a MANDATORY download. I was always under the impression it was going to be an optional thing. Another one of LLs lies. So now i have to endure idiots asking me every five minutes if I have voice?
July 27th, 2007 at 9:27 PM
Well, voice is better, but that’s like saying you only lost a foot instead of the entire leg. Communicate window is still a mess, and an unnecessary waste of space.
Kudos to implementing other people’s patches and making voice easier to use, but IM in chat history is still unreadable, still can’t find no-transfer textures in the texture picker. Simple fixes, please.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:30 PM
IF YOUR A LINDEN PLEASE IM ME!
I will beg for help!
I still cant hear or talk! I did everything in the book, spoken to many people and still nothing! (does not show green wave or anything, not even a dot)
PLEASE HELP ME i want to use voice.
HELP!
July 27th, 2007 at 9:39 PM
HUDS are loading very slowly with this current update.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:56 PM
If chat interface is still that horrid huge thing, I will not use voice. I will stay with skype. That chat interface is NOT GOOD lindens…neither is lag, or taking 2 minutes to rez something on my land I own, or taking 2 minutes to put on an article of clothing. clothes come off in a sec, but take 4 minutes to put on. Voyer teen boys like that but/ er feature, but us mature ppl who no longer giggle at the word Boobies are tired of it.
Fix what’s broke, don’t wag the dog and say “Hey, Look!! Legos!!”
July 27th, 2007 at 9:57 PM
Greetings.
Problem with new voice viewer as follows, noting here in case others are experiencing similar problem. Sim was voice-enabled today. Voice activated in ESTATE TOOLS. However, will only work on parcels if “Use private spatial channel” is selected in LAND OPTIONS. Will not recognise Sim as being voice-enabled if “Use the Estate spatial channel” is selected in LAND OPTIONS.
Thanks for your efforts LL.
B.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:59 PM
@44…need a preview feature
Voyer teen boys like that but/ er feature,
should read:
Voyeur teen boys like that bug/er…feature,
July 27th, 2007 at 10:00 PM
Fix what’s broke, don’t wag the dog and say “Hey, Look!! Legos!!”
No. I want the legos. I like them. My SL experience is almost painless and now I want some shiny new features.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:05 PM
* Streaming video support for Linux client.
Woot, now we just need that voice first look client before release…
July 27th, 2007 at 10:18 PM
Now if only we can choose to detatch the friends list from the communicate window, and have it stay detatched when we close it and reopen it.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:19 PM
please fix the communication window, it is cumbersome. I prefer the old style, and just about everyone else I know does too…
July 27th, 2007 at 10:52 PM
Although I am personnaly not a voice user, I find it too intrusive, I’m sure lot’s of folks love it. Here’s a disaster recipe to ponder, I watched the population meter go up and up since I became resident and it has almost doubled in that time to over 8 million. In that same time, the max number of folks online at any one time has never popped 50,000 except for the odd special concert or event. Stir in the fact that there are massive increased lags, outages, purchase problems, lost or misplaced inventory. Sprinkle a liberal amount of new features that cause a cascade of multiple other problems. Cover it with rolling restarts and missing service techs. Put it all into the oven one day with one hundreth of the potential population. Stand back and watch the bitching start then.
Perhaps it’s past time to fix the basics so they work consistently and put aside the (as a previous note referred to) shinies for now.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:32 PM
Question, if the voice features are going in the main client in a couple weeks, what of the still mostly broken Communicate window also in the FL client? Is that gong to bake longer? (We hope)
Implementing that bit of brokenness into the main client will be a MUCH bigger deal that voice anything will be.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:34 PM
Another vote for Windlight over voice
Broccoli
July 28th, 2007 at 12:11 AM
YAY for voice (well Broccoli I am looking forward to Windlight too but I absolutely love not needing to run Skpye to talk to my sweetie).
When are you going to bring voice to Odessa Graceful please? I see other islands getting voice but nothing yet for our venue!
@51 Well I kinda miss update Wednesday and the forums … the one thing I’d like to see sorted out atm is the Recent Items.
July 28th, 2007 at 12:55 AM
Nice set up wizard, though it seems to go against the original design of SL. And having a pop-up window in the preferences, too.
Also, the sound output selection is completely ignored still on OS X
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1810 So I have to re-log and set my system prefs sound output to my headset, log in, and then set it back once I’ve completely logged in.
That aside, voice has been great and I’ve really enjoyed being able to talk to my friends for the past two weeks!
July 28th, 2007 at 1:20 AM
This is great news! I can’t wait to have voice in the standard viewer. It will be a quantum leap for SL and many more people will take it seriously as a 21st century communication platform.
The first look viewer works great for me on both PC and Mac.
July 28th, 2007 at 1:37 AM
L I N U X
July 28th, 2007 at 1:46 AM
so concentrate on voip and degrade the rest of the system. well there was skype and many other products already available. we don’t need a voice platform that has most of the other features that made sl what it is destroyed/degraded just to have voice.
get a freakin clue. your not fixing what needs to be fixed
you don’t fix anything unless someone does it for free.
what do you think we all cannot see what is going on?
well i guess the chinese saw and are delivering.
July 28th, 2007 at 2:04 AM
Has anyone noticed how SL is polarising already? Those with voice - even Friends - are ignoring/excluding those of us who choose not to have voice.
Nice idea but SL still lags - I still TP and hair ends up on my bum - I TP and objects self-detach - Client crashes for no reason - moving from one dance ball to another (with the same dance?) takes an age to load plus all the Jira faults.
July 28th, 2007 at 2:36 AM
i can´t believie it…
i run a resolution of 1680×1050 on my main computer.
with the new messaging interface (what is now modified, but still crap) i see no eficient communication and use of the client in parallel.
there are so many articles and vote on JIRA… maybe someone of the developer listen at the residents needs ?
running 19 SIMs with a client like that… i would prefer to leave and go to secretcity.de or any other lag free new comunity.
and why do you put this close to release ?
you are using SIP - a early Voip solution, proofen to be not usable in most of the worlds end-user configuration. ever heard about skype ?
this is why they had this success.
your solution is not using http/https-tunneling, so not possible to operate mmore than one client behind one IP (technicly spoken, means in most situation: only one user per DSL).
it´s not capable of passing a router / firewall in most situations - because it needs port forwarding. that may respect the situation of US-users. but after you found out about skype, do a research on “world” (not grid, plz) - there are other continents… and in europe this is not typicle, nor possible in most commercial orgaisations.
help - this is running in a totaly wrong way !
i´m not the day by day complainer on the lag and other issues, even when they are there. but this is unbelivable.
and yes: i would love voice (option, at least) - but it must bypass firewaqlls with no extra configuration - and the client UI must be acceptable.
cheers
Ralf
July 28th, 2007 at 2:55 AM
Since this is the penultimate voice firstlook before it goes into the main client, I was dissapointed to see very little progress in fixing all the UI issues with the new communicate window. Perhaps this is planned for the final Firstlook next week?
However, I’ve updated Jira with what I think the main remaining issues are, please vote if you agree with me:
Have Groups and Friends display in a seperate window if opened via the menus:
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1917
Closing the Near Me window when torn off should not reattach it
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1575
The Groups and Friends tabs in Contacts should not be at the side
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1549
I also created a jira issue a little while ago to allow people to vote on simply getting rid of the new communicate window entirely!
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1550
Matthew
July 28th, 2007 at 3:09 AM
oh BROTHER! crash crash crash!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whats going on with the asset servers today!
July 28th, 2007 at 3:15 AM
Oh, who has noticed that this has pushed th gambling ban off the four headlines in the viewer - so those who come to SL on weekends only may not even notice the major change in policy!!
Matthew
July 28th, 2007 at 3:18 AM
All of those saying they don’t want voice, just use the Linux client as I can’t see how that will have voice in it at the next release since there is no test version so there can’t possibly be a full version (we trust them to test stuff first, right?!)
July 28th, 2007 at 3:30 AM
At this stage i can`t see this client being release, unless they do major changes before release. Now beta is beta, frankly I don`t believe its going to be that good of a final release. Sooner of later they get it right but at the moment. God help us…….
July 28th, 2007 at 4:03 AM
I’d like to suggest something. As Lyndka reported, the inevitable polarisation has indeed started, and it’ll be more and more aggressive in the future… unless the following policy changes: make voice opt-in and not opt-out.
With your latest changes on the way the grid works, SL is able to support multiple, different viewers (thus, the possibility of having the First Look Viewers to “test” new technology). Well, give new users a choice: download a voice-enabled version and the regular viewer without voice. Don’t call the voice-enabled version “First Look” (but just “Voice-enabled SL Viewer” and “Text-only SL Viewer”) and have it available everywhere from the download page, from the auto-upgrader, etc.
People really, really wishing for voice will be able to get their version; the ones who don’t, would not have it pushed (literally) up their noses. The choice would be the residents’, not LL’s.
Opt-in systems are much fairer and democratic. Giving people a choice is always a nicer commitment than simply pushing things that they don’t want or don’t need. I fully understand that you need to increase the rate of new sign-ups, and all marketing studies show that the introduction of an “official” voice-enabled viewer in past platforms have increased that rate. The very same studies also show that the dropout rate will increase even faster (besides all the other side effects like “splitting communities” — but we’re used to that already), but from a marketing/public relation point of view, you just need to enhance the positive sides, not the negative sides.
Currently, “just a few thousands” of people know about the “First Look” series of viewers, so it’s hard to tell how successful it really is. On the other hand, making it a mandatory upgrade also falsifies the results: I can imagine that on the next day a press release will say “8.2 million users in SL are using voice”, when that will clearly not be the case.
So, give us an option. Place on your home page a huge banner saying: “SL is now fully voice-enabled, click here for the new viewer”. Have the download page (not the FL page!) show both choices. Have the registration page give a clear choice between both options. Then let’s see how many people really switch over to voice, when the choice is theirs and not LL’s.
Oh, and while you’re at it, please take a moment to inform your international audience what the law in California says about phone sex. While text chat is “safe”, voice calls of a sexual nature, when they’re made for L$, might fall under the legislation that regulates phone sex. And certainly SL does not need another friendly hint from the FBI to shut down another series of venues. This time, it’s better to play safe than sorry.
You might also find Regina Lynn’s article on Wired an interesting read.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:16 AM
And? Is that damned “Communicator Window” gone? It makes the Voice client neraly unusable. Chat can be done on IRC or ICQ. Such a big window blocks what makse SL to what it is. It is so blocking, that you may chat without SL (bcause you don’t se much from SL, only the communicator window) or you may have SL and no chat - only voice, if it works at all.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:37 AM
Why am I seeing a blue or red “aura” rising up around avatars with the voice first look viewer and how do I make it stop (aside from going back to the regular viewer LOL).. help please!
July 28th, 2007 at 5:01 AM
Yeah nice one guys… a new voice client after you borked the grid twice in order to do it. What’s next, neutron bomb juggling????
Well as long as the people that use voice (thats between 4 and 7 of them - or has it made it to double figures yet????) are happy then thats ok. Not to worry about the rest of us. For rest, read majority.
Credit where it’s due is my motto… but that isn’t here, not this time!
In the words of Dennis Leary… “Thank you, thank you, thank you and….” I won’t say the rest as it’s broadly offensive.
Goodnight, don’t forget to turn out the light.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:03 AM
Voice is not wanted by the “vast” majority of users in SL. There has never been a demand for it. Nearly all comment threads besides this one have weighed in on the negative side for it’s implimentation. Already not using it makes those who do not some sort of lesser user, a piraiah, in the voice activated areas. Those who are not using it are lost to know what is going on.
This is clearly the most intrusive, devisive and most aggressively pushed upon feature to appear in SL.
The most aggravating of all possible things is that SL’s ability to simply function at all continues to plummet. Friends lists and normal group chat simply do not work as they should. Read that again… “Friends lists still do not work as suppose to with regularity”.
Simple text chat in group IM’s does not work as it is suppose to!
There is simply no reasonable exscuse for this. Corporations are coming into SL and you cannot even rely on simple text chat!
Yet you are forcing this on the community that pays your salaries? You cannot whitewash the abundant and persistent problems that plague this game. And yes lag has increased since voice has arrived. There is simply no question that it has.
Some will say well voice is handled on different servers so that cannot be. Well then perhaps it’s the client. And you know what? It doesn’t even matter, because if money was spent on servers for this feature which, what was it? 2000 total people requested? INSTEAD of updating servers for land owners and fixing of existing bugs it is a crime.
I love SL though the constant issues and bugs and this blind mindset of forcing features for the sake of claiming they exist on us has me ready to start looking for an alternative. I don’t over react, I don’t doom preach. I’ve kept quiet on this but enough is enough. Maybe if I and others start pulling our monthly payments Linden Labs will start to reconsider it’s current trend of buisness behavior.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:29 AM
Why you all gotta be a bunch of assholes? I say kudos to the Lindens for actually getting this project going. Those of you complaining about how the Voice doesn’t work, simply because one trivial feature is not working perfectly, need to think about how much extra time the Lindens have put into this project. And there is a reason why it hasn’t been released into the whole world yet… because of the fact that some things DON’T WORK THE WAY THEY SHOULD AND THE LINDENS ARE FIXING THEM. So people, get off your effing high horse, and let the Lindens do their jobs. Also… you people who are complaining about all this lag since the power outages…… I don’t have any lag whatsoever, so maybe you guys need to get away from the n00b camping chairs.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:32 AM
Can somebody please explain why there is no redesign of the communicate window in accordance with overwhelming market demand?
July 28th, 2007 at 5:35 AM
Linux - users .. pls support the following issue about voice-implementation :
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1516
Thank you.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:13 AM
@ 67
“”… because of the fact that some things DON’T WORK THE WAY THEY SHOULD AND THE LINDENS ARE FIXING THEM”
Haha. Since i joined SL LL broke something fitsr and fixed a part of the broken stuff. But real progress? NO!
They obviously deserve every honor for starting SL and making it grow. But at a certain point they lost focus, adding a lot of buggy features while forgetting about commutity demands and bug fixing. The result is a big buggy piece of software with lots of nice but not really working freatures, which fights every kind of hardware as fiercly as possible. And voice is another feature almost no one needs and wants (skype is available and in widespread use, anyway) and which really, really is not even fivehundred miles close to acceptable technical state at the moment of introduction. And no, they did not spend ANY extra time in this. They simply dropped time elsewhere. This is not the way to run a business safely for a longer period of time. Most probably LL will rnd up as the Netscape of Virtual Worlds. They repeat ALL the mistakes.
For Voice: Turning Sl into a giant phonecell is as useless as turning a tomato into a carot. Nothing beats Videoconferencing and Webcams. This is a simple fact. Nothing beats the real Disneyland, too. Just amother proof that LL completely lost focus on what they do to their user base.
@64
“Please take a moment to inform your international audience what the law in California says about phone sex. While text chat is “safe”, voice calls of a sexual nature, when they’re made for L$, might fall under the legislation that regulates phone sex.”
I tried the First Look. And it is horrible. What about the sexual harassment? Ir is not only phone sex which is “listenable” now, there are all these heavy breaths and seemingly “funny” yells at everything which does not look like a male. I HATE it. Listening to a real vouce has another quality than only reading the words.
The most embarrassing is that LL hampered the Chat functionality in a way that makes this completely unplayable for everyone who resists this Phone Cell.
In the end my days in SL are counted. One day I will cash out and leave it. And I will continue using a webcam, skype or any other software, which does the same as SL in a much more hardware friendly ways in a much better fashion.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:21 AM
Eurotrash bitching about the ganbling, Eurotrash bitching about sex, Eurotrash bitching about everything…. You know, if you don’t like the laws in America, here’s an idea, start your OWN damn company and run WILD with your Eurotrash morals…. diddle little children, gas a few Jews… whatever you want to do… but if you think you get free reign when you’re “coming to America”, you just don’t get it…. but that’s not surprising, either….
July 28th, 2007 at 6:27 AM
@ 71
You will not hesitate to trash SL with your VOICE, yelling at the eurotrash, won´t you? And it is soooo easy. You do not even have to learn how to write a simple english word.
Bye, bye SL:
July 28th, 2007 at 6:53 AM
What? Phone sex is illegal in California? Well I guess Linden Research better kill off this voice initiative fast and ban sex via voice in Secondlife quickly! If it is illegal and they allow voice then they will have to monitor all that voice communications and turn over all those horrible decadent people having voice sex to the authorities! Wow thats gonna be a lot of old lady baptists listening in on 100% of all conversations, public and private, to ensure no laws are broken!
Better yet get with the program LL CEO and go make the requisite million dollar contribution to the US Two Party political system so they will get off your back and exempt Secondlife from the totalitarian laws. All it takes is money. If you don’t buy them off they will be all over you about one thing or another till you are forced to close down.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:59 AM
When I have voice turned of I want it OFF. I do not want to have to refuse voice calls all of the time. I have a feeling it’s going to get really old really quickly.
When I have Voice turned off, please make it so that it works like it did before. I really hate the way LL has handled this from the very beginning. You’ve been insensitive to users wants and desires. No one cares if some people want to use voice, but the way you’ve implemented it is insensitive and intrusive. And it’s purely to keep up with the joneses.
I’m in favor of Gwen’s idea. Have a voice viewer and a non-voice viewer… make it opt-in not opt-out. Honestly, the way you’ve implemented it, it’s not really even opt-out it’s “TRY to opt-out, but you really can’t.”
Haven’t you noticed the negative responses in the blog EVERY time you have a post about voice? Don’t you listen to your customers?
I plan not to even have a mic.
Very Sincerely Yours,
Anony Mouse
July 28th, 2007 at 6:59 AM
LOOK AT 67 Remarks…….. now LL look at this poster? You call this helpful or even constructive? Go ahead banned this person……..Gesh Atleast he equal prem banning people from the BLOG! Swearing is ok?
@67 little do you know that LL mostly breaks things insteads of fixing them.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:01 AM
Voice needs to be opt in in a big way. Voice needs to be a subscription feature priced at a level that recovers the huge costs associated with bringing it in and divided up amongst the exactly 200 people that voted for it in the first place. Make them pay for it and only let them use it since they wanted it. Then allow additional people to subscribe to voice if they want to pay an extra $10 a month. That should take care of a few things.
1: will require payment info used to have voice. no voice at all for PIOF or NPIOF users period. 99.9% of all abuse of voice will emanate from the NPIOF sector anyway so it is a solid way to prevent 99.9% of voice abuse.
2. will recover costs from those who want voice such as corporate accounts that can afford it and won’t even blink at paying up.
3. will eliminate the damage Linden research is attempting to wreak on SL by forcing voice on millions who do not want it.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:06 AM
Still missing is a test calling features, so that you can hear what you sound like on the grid, and therefore know whether your system is configured correctly.
Still missing is the ability to configure voice use for group or members of a group. Like setting home, rezing objects or other features, voice should be something that landowners can grant to everyone, to a group, or only specific groups in a group.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:12 AM
Can’t log in now. Don’t know if it is related to this voice change or not. I get an Access Denied message when I try to login. Logged out normally. So, don’t know how to resolve this. Help guys.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:17 AM
@75
Yes, this would help them in not losing their face while not losing their customer base, too. Which they most certainly will lose if they proceed like they do now.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:49 AM
I’m with and supporting the idea of two separate viewer branches, one with voice and one without a.k.a. the current functionality.
That will make everyone more happy. The choise should … err… MUST be the residents in this case, or LL will just have dug their own grave by this…
If voice is forced up on me, I will start playing random interval signals as my ‘voice’, anyone wants to join me with the new irritating cacaphony of meaningless sounds? *grins*
July 28th, 2007 at 7:54 AM
Why not? does it really matter if we have 2 viewer. Voice and Non voice……….besides team speak is better over all………….
July 28th, 2007 at 7:56 AM
@77
Well, numbers of log-ins and linden dollar purchases are sinking anyway. Too many undressed flaws and additional bugs recently. And the voice client as it is will enforce the retreat massively. I really wonder if no one at LL pays any attention to that. And I wonder who is responsible for this kind of commercial suicide.
I would hate to warch this drown for some silly self worshipping at LL.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:58 AM
Crash on startup with the new viewer….:(
I’ll try clearing the cache, then redownloading, and maybe it will work…
July 28th, 2007 at 8:27 AM
it would be so nice to know why I can’t log on anymore. Neither with the normal Client nor the First Look. What is going on with SL, I’d rather not have voice than all this.
July 28th, 2007 at 8:30 AM
@77 (Jessica)
While I can’t condone griefing of any sort… I can say that this is a possible means of protest.
LL really needs to be taught a lesson. On Gwen’s blog there is an interesting poll about, what if an open source community backed version of SL came about? The number of people who said that they would join is around 60-70 percent.
I believe that this is a reflection of people’s displeasure with LL. I think that they need to see 60-70% of their user-base disappear overnight in order to make them realize what’s happening.