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	<title>Comments on: Wagering In Second Life: New Policy</title>
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		<title>By: Storyof Oh</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#comment-408071</link>
		<dc:creator>Storyof Oh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking to others there is a talk of a move to knitting and crochet communities as long as we dont use lucky chairs to sit on.

this is the cyber equivalent of nuking Las Vegas and telling the casinos owners 'no refund'

go to the matresses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking to others there is a talk of a move to knitting and crochet communities as long as we dont use lucky chairs to sit on.</p>
<p>this is the cyber equivalent of nuking Las Vegas and telling the casinos owners &#8216;no refund&#8217;</p>
<p>go to the matresses?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Steele</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#comment-408069</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who keep asking about Lucky Chairs.  It would stand to reason that they would NOT fall under the ban since you are not putting money into it to "play".  Objects like lucky chairs would be contests/giveaways and as long as you dont have to "buy" or pay anything into it to have a chance to win then it's not considered gambling.   Unfortunately Greedy the game i enjoy playing amongst my friends in SL would be considered part of it; though I'd imagine we can still play it as long as we have the "pot" turned off.

Concerning post #86:   US law is being imposed because LL is a US company residing in the US.  I can't fault Linden for enacting it.  I do think this new policy will have a negative effect on SL economy.  Will it recover from it.. Perhaps... perhaps not.. But I am glad I recently exchanged the bulk of my L's back to RL currency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who keep asking about Lucky Chairs.  It would stand to reason that they would NOT fall under the ban since you are not putting money into it to &#8220;play&#8221;.  Objects like lucky chairs would be contests/giveaways and as long as you dont have to &#8220;buy&#8221; or pay anything into it to have a chance to win then it&#8217;s not considered gambling.   Unfortunately Greedy the game i enjoy playing amongst my friends in SL would be considered part of it; though I&#8217;d imagine we can still play it as long as we have the &#8220;pot&#8221; turned off.</p>
<p>Concerning post #86:   US law is being imposed because LL is a US company residing in the US.  I can&#8217;t fault Linden for enacting it.  I do think this new policy will have a negative effect on SL economy.  Will it recover from it.. Perhaps&#8230; perhaps not.. But I am glad I recently exchanged the bulk of my L&#8217;s back to RL currency.</p>
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		<title>By: Coon Surya</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#comment-408068</link>
		<dc:creator>Coon Surya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhh...you guys realize that things like sploder parties and casinoes are major ways to earn income in SL right? I don't think you should outlaw them, because you'd risk losing half of your user base it's so prevalent.

How about instead you offer licenses In World casinoes (or so called 'gambling' services like money sploders) who can apply for it? Otherwise, you guys are going to crush your own economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhh&#8230;you guys realize that things like sploder parties and casinoes are major ways to earn income in SL right? I don&#8217;t think you should outlaw them, because you&#8217;d risk losing half of your user base it&#8217;s so prevalent.</p>
<p>How about instead you offer licenses In World casinoes (or so called &#8216;gambling&#8217; services like money sploders) who can apply for it? Otherwise, you guys are going to crush your own economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Poledra Behemoth</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#comment-408059</link>
		<dc:creator>Poledra Behemoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana @33- I have to agree with you about the advertising cubes. My neighbour and I, over the last 12 months, have seen casino/club after casino/club come and go, with revolving advert cubes or signs set high above so that the next 2 sims can see them. Definitely takes away from the residential sims. Not that that is the issue in this case, but it has been annoying. 
As for gambling itself, if LL's rules state we should govern our conduct and activities according to our own country's laws, then if I were to open a casino on my land, then only Anshe could kick me off the sim (according to my land's covernant). Make up yer mind LL if you wanna play by US or individual country laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana @33- I have to agree with you about the advertising cubes. My neighbour and I, over the last 12 months, have seen casino/club after casino/club come and go, with revolving advert cubes or signs set high above so that the next 2 sims can see them. Definitely takes away from the residential sims. Not that that is the issue in this case, but it has been annoying.<br />
As for gambling itself, if LL&#8217;s rules state we should govern our conduct and activities according to our own country&#8217;s laws, then if I were to open a casino on my land, then only Anshe could kick me off the sim (according to my land&#8217;s covernant). Make up yer mind LL if you wanna play by US or individual country laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Aphrodite Tagore</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#comment-408049</link>
		<dc:creator>Aphrodite Tagore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PROSTITUTION IS LEGAL IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.</description>
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		<title>By: Yumi Murakami</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#comment-408038</link>
		<dc:creator>Yumi Murakami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm pretty sure that Lucky Chairs, Money Trees, etc wouldn't be banned, because there's no wager.  Sploders - that's a different question...

The big question is, how random is random.  If an item lets you place a bet that a certain number of people will buy an SL item in a certain amount of time, is that "random"?  Or is it "skill" (because you can upsell it?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that Lucky Chairs, Money Trees, etc wouldn&#8217;t be banned, because there&#8217;s no wager.  Sploders - that&#8217;s a different question&#8230;</p>
<p>The big question is, how random is random.  If an item lets you place a bet that a certain number of people will buy an SL item in a certain amount of time, is that &#8220;random&#8221;?  Or is it &#8220;skill&#8221; (because you can upsell it?)</p>
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		<title>By: Gwyneth Llewelyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#comment-408034</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwyneth Llewelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to Disneyland.</description>
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		<title>By: Thrakhath Karlfledt</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#comment-408035</link>
		<dc:creator>Thrakhath Karlfledt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Brother. i thought secondlife was supposed to be.. exactly that secondlife.  Your world your imagination. Time to change that .  It cant be if we cant do what pleases us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Brother. i thought secondlife was supposed to be.. exactly that secondlife.  Your world your imagination. Time to change that .  It cant be if we cant do what pleases us.</p>
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		<title>By: DigitalJoe Saintlouis</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#comment-408027</link>
		<dc:creator>DigitalJoe Saintlouis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's rather comical..SL is going against it's own philosophy of creator based content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s rather comical..SL is going against it&#8217;s own philosophy of creator based content.</p>
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		<title>By: Vidal Tripsa</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#comment-408025</link>
		<dc:creator>Vidal Tripsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have something of a complaint to lodge that may well be related to this. One minute I'm running a search for 'antique tv' to find myself teleported to Hawaii, and a giant Las Vegas replica sign in the foyer. Objects rez, and I get a minute or so to view my surroundings. Then BAM, my PC completely reboots without warning, and this has happened twice now at the same SL location.

Believe me, I'll be doing everything I can to rule out other possibilities before reporting the bug, however I find it an amazing coincidence that whether or not this sim carries gambling tools (I don't have time to check before being booted off my entire OS), this has all come since this policy was announced.

While I support the ban generally, I do feel I have to ask - just how are affected sims being treated in all this? If a gambling sim really is the cause of my complete software crash, I'm actually rather peeved at how my viewer seems to have been rigged to remove me in the most violent way possible, especially as I'd no intention of gambling anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have something of a complaint to lodge that may well be related to this. One minute I&#8217;m running a search for &#8216;antique tv&#8217; to find myself teleported to Hawaii, and a giant Las Vegas replica sign in the foyer. Objects rez, and I get a minute or so to view my surroundings. Then BAM, my PC completely reboots without warning, and this has happened twice now at the same SL location.</p>
<p>Believe me, I&#8217;ll be doing everything I can to rule out other possibilities before reporting the bug, however I find it an amazing coincidence that whether or not this sim carries gambling tools (I don&#8217;t have time to check before being booted off my entire OS), this has all come since this policy was announced.</p>
<p>While I support the ban generally, I do feel I have to ask - just how are affected sims being treated in all this? If a gambling sim really is the cause of my complete software crash, I&#8217;m actually rather peeved at how my viewer seems to have been rigged to remove me in the most violent way possible, especially as I&#8217;d no intention of gambling anyway.</p>
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