Vista support in Second Life
Friday, July 20th, 2007 at 3:16 PM by: ariclindenHere’s an update on Second Life support for Vista users. We’re in the process of validating our support of Vista. We’ve finished a couple of rounds of testing. We’re now pulling together our findings and laying the internal groundwork for formal support of Vista.
Generally speaking, Second Life and Vista are happy together as long as a supported graphics card is installed and the most recent native graphics drivers are being used. Please see http://www.secondlife.com/corporate/sysreqs.php for more information.
If you do run into issues, please feel free to enter them in our PJIRA. Thanks!
July 20th, 2007 at 3:31 PM
Yay! Finally Vista will be completely supported, and I will finally not fear upgrading ‘^_^.
July 20th, 2007 at 3:47 PM
Not fear upgrading? You’re talking about Microsolft there, they invented the swiss-cheese OS. (email viruses, LOL … … whats this foot taste about?)
July 20th, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Ask yourself: What will upgrading to Vista buy me? What will Vista do that XP will not do?
July 20th, 2007 at 3:51 PM
If your XP machine is running just fine I’d suggest you stay with that until Vista SP1… I’m in support and I can tell you it’s a horror show out there with Vista…
July 20th, 2007 at 4:02 PM
I’ve been running First Look Voice in Vista and haven’t had any problems — at least none that I’ve noticed.
July 20th, 2007 at 4:19 PM
@3 Ummm, play DX10 games and halo 2 for pc? DX10 support alone is enough for most gaming junkies to upgrade, fortunately I was given a free copy of vista 64bit from work because i was willing to learn how to break and fix it since im in support.
July 20th, 2007 at 4:24 PM
Dongs. That is all.
July 20th, 2007 at 4:27 PM
Speaking of horror show with Vista, all my Tech friends in world gave up on Vista and went back to XP, and i am talking Linux, VB and C programmers who know their stuff. LOL
Bravo LL for tackling the issues!
July 20th, 2007 at 4:28 PM
I’m now running Vista as well, (would love a shiny SL Gadget [hint]) and I also have been using the Voice First Look with ultimate success (although my PgUp + PgDwn buttons on my new laptop are way off to the top right now [frown.])
July 20th, 2007 at 4:40 PM
SL has been running great on my Laptop, which has Vista Home Premium, for some time now. Keep up the good work!
July 20th, 2007 at 4:44 PM
I have been running VISTA and Second Life since ATI fixed its problem. SO not sure why so many felt it wouldnt work or why spent time working on this minor update.
July 20th, 2007 at 4:50 PM
I’ve been running SL on my Notbook for about 4 months allready and had no more trouble then annyone else that uses SL
July 20th, 2007 at 4:53 PM
SL does work fine with vista, the early issues were gragphics card drivers, mostly now workable if not exactly right yet. I have returned to XP because there are just too many problems as yet with Vista, there is a lot i like about it, but frankly it’s problems in my experience got in the way of productivity. I’ll probably give it a year yet. just my 2 c
July 20th, 2007 at 5:00 PM
The only reason I’m in SL at all is that the hard drive on my old PC died, and I decided to buy a whole new PC instead of bothering with replacing hard drive on old PC. This happened in April, and I had no choice but to upgrade to VISTA at that time. So in order to test out the new, faster, dual-core processor and 2gb ram and new video card, I thought I would try this little program I had heard about called “Second Life”, as a “stress test” for the new hardware … well I was hooked in just a few hours online. And you see I have never run SL on anything BUT Vista. Did have problems with video card driver at first, but once that was resolved SL has run flawlessly on Vista. HOWEVER, having said that SL runs well … that doesn’t mean that there aren’t OTHER problems with Vista operating system! Oh well, upgrades are something we all have to live with, right?
July 20th, 2007 at 5:08 PM
About time they start to work on this they are not only like a year late lol
July 20th, 2007 at 5:10 PM
My main problems with Vista were lack of driver support for older hardware.. For example, HP flat out says they won’t provide Vista drivers for my scanner, which is about 6 years old (though the XP drivers do work) and my SB card which is long in the tooth as well, but better than my onboard audio. Fortunately the XP drivers for it worked on Vista as well. Oh yes, and iTunes — does not play well with Vista when importing a large library. But SL has been running like a champ, with full visual effects on and SL graphics options maxed.
Enough of my rambling
July 20th, 2007 at 5:14 PM
I’ve been going back and forth between Vista Premium 64-bit and XP Home 32-bit on a dual-boot configuration (will be adding/learning Ubuntu Linux as soon as they fix the black-screen-during-install bug). Ever since ATI fixed their Vista driver, SL runs a-ok with the only issue that llTargetOmega does not function in Vista but works correctly in XP. (I know nothing of JIRA so i haven’t posted any report..)
July 20th, 2007 at 5:23 PM
I have vista and sl works fine…only issue I have is apparently graphic drivers…I can’t zoom in on my avatar or any one elses I’ll crash… once I can get this resolved…I’ll be fine.
July 20th, 2007 at 5:23 PM
Tenho VISTA instalado no meu PC, mas nao fuciona o SL pq porraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…
Caralho
FDP!!!
July 20th, 2007 at 5:37 PM
have just bought a new laptop to improve my graphics and speed for SL …no option but to have Vista, so far so good…..
July 20th, 2007 at 5:50 PM
I wasn’t aware that Vista wasn’t supported. It’s worked just fine for me.
July 20th, 2007 at 5:50 PM
As a technologist and engineer, I consider myself quite a power user. My HP with NVIDIA GeForce Go Graphics card and Vista Home Premium has never experienced a problem with any program I’ve thrown at it so far, including SL. But then, as mentioned in the article, I keep my machine pretty well lubed with the current drivers, patches, updates, etc on a daily basis. I’ve lived on the bleeding edge for a very long time, and not much riles me anymore.
July 20th, 2007 at 6:00 PM
I have not been able to log on to SL , for several days. I keep getting error stating that my DNS is unable to find host. I also receive a message stating error with cerificate expired or no longer valid. I have not had no certificate that I am aware of to log onto SL. I was logged on having no problems, except the normal crashes. (lol) I logged off when I returned to log back on I have been unable to access SL game as of to date.
July 20th, 2007 at 6:03 PM
What’s a “PJIRA”
Spelling mistakes on blog entries are kinda embarrasing
July 20th, 2007 at 6:45 PM
Unless there has been some change in the past week, Second Life in Vista is a crash-every-few-minutes experience when I try it on a Geforce 7600GT. Second Life will randomly freeze, go blank, and the system tray will pop up a bubble complaining that the display driver has stopped working, but has recovered. In fact, I’ve tried two different 7600GTs with varying drivers on two very different computers with Vista Business, and replacing them both with cheap Radeons (my first in many, many years) made the errors stop entirely. Just a caution to anyone who is thinking of making the switch.
July 20th, 2007 at 7:04 PM
I wait awhile before I upgrade to vista.
@15 it was in the specs about Vista was not yet support.
July 20th, 2007 at 7:07 PM
I’m a programmer and I have my PC set up like so Vista/XP/Mandriva Linux. I use vista mostly for gaming and imaging because the fact of the matter is that if you want to be a game programmer like myself you have to keep up with the software out there which means constantly going to the newest OS/hardware for it.
July 20th, 2007 at 7:09 PM
Would this or Icehouse be responsible for the several reports on the SLX Froums of clothing being invisible, showing when Appearance is opened, and disappearing again when Appearance is closed on Mac and PC?
July 20th, 2007 at 7:21 PM
Vista’s been working just fine for me with SL since it shipped in January and Voice First Look also works fine. Like the article says, ensure you have the latest video drivers. I’m not going to whine about whether you should or shouldn’t use Vista. But it seems to play very well with SL and has for a while.
July 20th, 2007 at 7:22 PM
Hurray for people who use vista. I’m part of the crowd who wisely refuse to “upgrade” until XP is no longer updated, or circumstances FORCE us to upgrade.
At which time I’ll be switching to Linux and using Cedega.
July 20th, 2007 at 7:22 PM
My only problem with Vista and SL is that SL runs way too fast on my machine (>120fps on my land), and because the SL client seems to do some network activity every frame it causes massive lag spikes. The only workaround I have is to get SL to run slower (<30fps), only then is it happy. Minor really, Vista runs great and is great otherwise.
July 20th, 2007 at 7:25 PM
I have contacted lindens, read wikis, and made bug reports, ever since the first look, i cant hear or talk in SL voice…
I re-installed, clear cache, and did everything many ppl told me to do, and i still cant hear or talk in SL
I beta tested the voice, and it used to work fine…
I contacted jeska linden many times and i still have not got any support, i wish LL’s customer service was better, im still waiting, all alone in the text world! help me.
(I have windows vista)
July 20th, 2007 at 7:26 PM
I have played both normal and Voice Second Life and the only problem ive had is a periodic crashing. I fixed this by right clicking on the icon, going to properties then compatability, and changing the compatability mode to Windows XP Service Pack 2
July 20th, 2007 at 7:59 PM
Jira does not use a secure login! Jira is not safe, your password can be stolen.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:00 PM
Ok never mind, you need to click “No” to viewing unsecured items. Secure otherwise, sorry about the last message.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:03 PM
@18 not really. If your always getting the lastest software like Vista for example ( which LL did not support until atleasty ) will result in more problems and issues. Always make sure games like Second Life and extending to other programs other then games. That the program supports current software(s). Basic ABC of understanding how not to messup your computer.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:08 PM
I’ve been dual booting XP/Vista for awhile (yes you can do that) and SL has been running in Vista for months now, as long as you have the latest driver update for your video card it’s all good. The only client that didn’t run at all in Vista was the windlight client.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:10 PM
Lol - for those who haven’t figured it out yet, Vista sucks! We actually just downgraded (?) one of our computers to Windows XP because everything was so sluggish and now things are flying! For those considering upgrading, although Microsoft claims that you only need 512MB to run Vista, 1GB of RAM is the minimum, 2GB is recommended.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:19 PM
For anyone who’s stuck with Vista while LL works on fixing it, and still can’t get SL and Vista to play friendly, consider checking your Microsoft Terms of Service: Microsoft may at a minimum provide the media and software keys to downgrade OSes dependent on what version you’re licensed for.
The chart that maps downgrading rights for Microsoft OSes and softwares can be located at the following page:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f4b3cfd-7f4e-46cb-8117-8275f7683d3f&DisplayLang=en
July 20th, 2007 at 8:21 PM
I upgraded with new computer using Vista and been using it for several weeks without any problems. Regarding Vista as a whole I much prefer XP but I will get used to it. Thanks Linden for getting us support soon
July 20th, 2007 at 8:23 PM
@Yo:
disabling Aero Glass if you have access to it is pretty much a necessity with Vista: the rendering layer used to accelerate Aero Glass doesn’t do native OpenGL, only OpenGL-to-DirectX10… which is drastically slower on any windowed OpenGL. Bit of a bon mot, really.
@Firefox:
The windlight client was a beta. Best way to deal with them is to go in eyes wide open and understanding that yes, you’re probably going to have it eat your dog up. Pleasant surprise when it doesn’t.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:36 PM
i have windows vista ultimate,
4gb of memory, geforce 8880 gtx 640mb
works great for me, even in windlight everything was running smooth
July 20th, 2007 at 8:38 PM
Vista will let you play DirectX 10 games. All zero of them that are available right now. I know some were demonstrated recently, and will probably be on the market by fall. And you’ll also need a brand-new video card (NVidia 8000 series or ATI X2000 series) to get the full benefit.
If you are using XP Media Center, upgrading to Vista may be very appealing; the Media Center features in Vista (built into Home Premium and Ultimate) are significantly improved over XP. Just make sure your hardware, especially the tuner card or cards, is supported.
The most compelling reason to run Vista: you bought a new computer that came with it pre-installed. For most of us, there is no strong reason to upgrade yet; aside from the possible reasons mentioned above, there are the IT professionals who want to get experience with Vista BEFORE the people they have to support upgrade. By the end of the year, more people will have reasons to upgrade — and Vista SP1 may be ready.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:52 PM
I bought a new notebook and had to get visa (with Nvidia). Works like a charm, 5 crashes in 5 weeks. But aways been worried about the the “crash I could not recover from”, and knowing I was up there “without a net” - since no support. Well this adresses that fear. Great news.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:59 PM
I don`t know why they cancelled windlight . I had no problems at all. There in it self shows how messedup the reporting of bugs are these days. Not everyone had problems with windlight, just because people did not know how to focus their client for the useage caused windlight to be taken down. Oh yes and the bitching about a little little light measurement displacement. Oh bother!!!!!!!!!!!
July 20th, 2007 at 9:32 PM
I run SL now 3 weeks with Win Vista Home Premium, a ATI XT 1550 graficcard and only 1 GB RAM… and it works great.
I have only problems under Win XPpro SP2
July 20th, 2007 at 10:54 PM
It got time that vista would be supported but I found that the support on win2K has dropped out seemingly. The current client has memory leaks, jury movement and instability while the version before was good useable. Now I play a lot less just cause of the after 10 minutes its like playing on a very slow computer and its telling only to be 550 MB while in reality 1 GB or more is used by the mem leaks.
July 20th, 2007 at 11:03 PM
I wish we could get a compile for Vista 64bit.
July 20th, 2007 at 11:11 PM
good grief! Support dosnt respond or fix the problems when you can get a response to them! Now they have to deal with another opperating system to deal with! And the return of live chat doesnt get you aresponse either!
July 20th, 2007 at 11:13 PM
@ #20: ‘Wisely’? you say that like upgrading to Vista is a bad thing. Newsflash: It’s a great thing to do if your system will handle it. I’m a techie, I’ve supported Vista for awhile now while the others at my office have to go back to look at the Vista machine set up for us to ‘learn’ on. Vista is vastly superior to XP right out of the gate in various ways: Networking is a breeze, program compatibility is there (provided you’ve got the correct drivers for your various perphierals), and Windows Aero is a sight to behold. Granted there’s a few ‘holes’ and ‘bugs’ here and there. But Microsoft already has patches out that addresses these things. It seems people forget when XP was first introduced..it was the same buggy shell of an O.S that people are complaining Vista is. Sure there’s a learning curve to Vista for some people, for others, a few minutes with it, and you’re gonna be just fine ~shrugs~ I’ve been running SL on Vista for a LONG time now with no problems. None whatsoever. And it’s great to see some people are getting onboard the Vista Platform train.
July 20th, 2007 at 11:15 PM
i got vista pushed on me when i got a new gaming rig. runs SL fine though
July 20th, 2007 at 11:23 PM
I’m running Vista Ultimate on a brand new machine.
For those of you who are bashing people running Vista (I also have a Mac that I happen to love), please remember before you get so smart-headed about your own pretensions that some people have bought NEW computers within the last 6 months which come with Vista pre-installed.
Unless you’re willing to cough up the cash for them to “downgrade/upgrade” to XP, and do it for them to save them the time, I should consider it a wise choice for you to STFU. Just because you may not have a brand new machine, and just because you figure it’s worth blowing an extra $100+ on another OS version doesn’t mean that they fit in your category.
Think before you spout off.
July 20th, 2007 at 11:23 PM
i didnt have any problems until this last upgrade..not sure if its vista or what..i rarely crashed before now all i do is crash.
July 20th, 2007 at 11:32 PM
I have been using Second Life and Vista since the beginning of February when I received my new Dell which came loaded with the French Vista Premium. The main issue I have experienced since is when I clear cache.. it takes forever and sometimes even freezes my pc that I have to literally pull the power plug.. then after has trouble to reload again. Not sure why this is happening.
I have also experienced ingame crashes when I use the camera controls to zoom.
However would like to say I love Vista and would never consider going back to XP or another operating system again. Most of the time, I never have to wait for worlds to load graphically or “rez” as most say.. it is all there instantly.. really great. But these crashes are severe and annoying. Hope you sort them out. Thanks.
Dell Dimension DM061
Intel Pentium D CPU 2.80GHz 2.79 GHz
2046 Mo
NVIDIA GEFORCE 7300 LE
July 21st, 2007 at 12:03 AM
WarKirby: PJIRA is the Public JIRA, the one Residents use to file bugs and the like, while LL use an Internal JIRA.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:06 AM
Most of the Vista-related problems I have had have been while using a non-Administrator account to load the viewer, e.g. VWR-1269 and VWR-854.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:41 AM
SORRY, BUT WHAT IS VISTA???????????????
July 21st, 2007 at 12:47 AM
I have a problem with Vista,when i try to log in, a new window are open:SL is unable to run because your video card drivers are out of
dates or unsupported.
Any1 can help?
July 21st, 2007 at 1:02 AM
I wish I hadn’t been forced into using Vista, period- but it’s not hindering my SL, so I can’t complain too much! ^_^ It’s going great now that I upgraded to a better graphics card.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:04 AM
I run it on Vista sometimes, all seems to go great ye,
but I’ll make sure to auto-report any crashes encoutered.
If that may help you making a stable Vista Client! :3
*Enables Always Report :o*
July 21st, 2007 at 1:40 AM
i bought a laptop with windows vista and SL worked great until a few upgrades ago. now it crashes immediately i move around or move camera.
July 21st, 2007 at 2:39 AM
WarKirby,
PJIRA stands for Public JIRA, and is what LL calls the jira residents can use for bug reporting, to distinguish it from the internal jira LL use for bug tracking.
It is however a bit of jargon few residents know.
Matthew
July 21st, 2007 at 2:43 AM
I used SL ans Windows Vista ultimate 64 bit for 4months now.And no problems at all. The graphicscard is MSI nvidia 8600GT. And when a crash happens it is SL not windows Vista thats crashes . Ill be curious about the update !!!!
July 21st, 2007 at 3:31 AM
SL runs fine on my vista machine wth one exception, 3 times in the past 2 months SL has for some unexplained reason cause my “audio device” which is a RealTek High Deffiniton Audio Device to Uninstall. I have no idea why this happens but its happened while logged into SL with no other applications running.
July 21st, 2007 at 3:32 AM
Read announcement; downloaded new obligatory viewer; SL crashed on startup with a MS C++ error. First SL crash on Vista I’ve had - buggered now, will have to come in on poor old G5 Mac.
Of course, I am using Vista 64-bit…!
July 21st, 2007 at 3:47 AM
The main issue with vista its problematic for any type of workflow alot of things just dont work with the OS older hardware etc because MS chose to do that they then turned around and made everyone digitally sign any drivers coming out which is costing the hardware companies money so drivers were slow out of the gate….
The other thing to note for those running around about Direct X 10 is those dont get much of a huge boost alot of the features it introduces are already active with Open GL (just the direct X dev kits are a bit easier to use which is why for some things they are preferred….) Vista is based off a Windows Server 2003 backend its got a face lift to make it look a bit more pretty and some added features and tie downs of system related things….
For those thinking of upgrading With SP1 note that Microsoft has claimed recently that Service Pack 1 wont be a big upgrade they dont feel the need for it with the current upgrade system or so they say. Also note that Windows : Vienna (its current name) Is slated for release in about 2- 2 1/2 years so upgrading now may put you in the short run for the next thing….
Ill stick with XP and Linux till i see Vista progress better and if it doesnt ill sit on the fence and wait to see what Vienna is like….
July 21st, 2007 at 3:48 AM
@42 64 bit operating systems often dont work properly with 32 bit based software…. It can cause nasty things =/
July 21st, 2007 at 3:55 AM
#40.. Oh Jeannie, I am so glad to hear you say that because exactly the same thing happened to me! I bought my new lap top in March with Vista and it had no problem whatsoever with SL…Ran fast, could multitask, good graphics, the whole nine yards… crashes were rare. Then, in came that update! On Tuesday everything was great. Wednesday started the crashes. I have timed them and I range from 8 to 20 minutes with a mean of 14 minutes on line before a crash. So SOMEthing was brought in on that update. Nothing helpful has come from LL, tho, on it. They say it is on my end but I have checked everything and no change.
July 21st, 2007 at 3:56 AM
I run sl on 2 vista machines. 1 is a 64bit dual core amd with 4gig ram and 2 nvidia 512mb gfx cards. The other is a 32bit dual core intel laptop with 2gig ram and onboard gfx.
Both seem to run fine. On the 64bit machine i can turn all sl’s gfx to the max and i get over 60fps most of the time.
I do suffer from packet loss sometimes, but i think that is my ISP not my OS.
I hated vista for the fisrst couply of months after release, when nothing worked. But now i love it. By far the easiest version of windows yet for setting up a new system. I can now built pc’s and have them up and running in 2 hours not 2 days searching for drivers etc.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:17 AM
Uhm, does no one read the forum here? Search for VistaSL and you get at least one long tread with an awesome tip to run SL on an unsupported laptop configuration. Since I followed that advice and installed the patches (modtools), SL runs like a cheeta chased by an airplane.
Good to hear this news tho.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:45 AM
I use Vista 64-bit and latest ATI drivers for Radeon X1950 Pro. At least SL 1.17.x crashes under 5 mins with no exceptions. Some sims crash it faster, some slower but it always crashes in my Vista computer.
And yes, SL is only crashing program I have. All others are rock solid.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:54 AM
I am so happy that the linux version exists and that I dont have to stuggel this fight.
all I want to say is that vista is very dangerous because it has full support for virus and trojans.
probably openGL will allso be replaced on vista with ClosedGL thats after upgading a MSClosedGL … looool. Cant wait to hear about the first computers infected via secondlife with vista support ;))
July 21st, 2007 at 5:03 AM
Don’t upgrade to Vista - it’s evil. Try Ubuntu Linux. It’s free and SL has a very good Linux client.
I hope the Linux client will receive as much development and support as the Windows and Mac versions. I notice there are some “safe mode” graphics enabled by default.
Anyway it’s good that SL has more support across more platforms - this can only be a good thing. Keep it up LL
July 21st, 2007 at 5:17 AM
The funny thing about DirectX 10 is that the latest implementations of OpenGL offer the same advanced graphics features on _any_ platform. Check Nvidia’s OpenGL documentation for more info.
Of course this will not keep clueless gamers from upgrading to Vista, but it might boost adoption of OpenGL by the gaming industry in order to work around Vista’s poor market penetration. OpenGL will enable DX10-style graphics not only on Windows XP and even Windows 2000, but of course on Linux and Mac as well.
So in the future we _might_ see a paradigm shift towards platform independence in the gaming industry. The SL viewer for Linux already demonstrates that Linux is not only ready for the desktop but also ready for games.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:40 AM
Masami the only issue is that openGL is harder to program for as i stated the Direct X packages are a bit easier for developers but again what you say is true…. Direct X is closed…. This became very evident when MS publicly declared it couldnt be hacked or used on other platforms period (though this was proved wrong though it’ll be through a wrapper…
There is some Direct X support with things like Cedega and Cider for other Operating systems but its sad that there isnt full support (MS for ya though =/)
Really openGL’s only downfall is on the developer ToolKit end while they have the features of direct X 10 now Direct X 10 is easier for the developers. If OpenGL worked on its toolkits and made them a bit more friendly (maybe even better then Direct X ?) Direct X wouldnt really be a valid solution for most developers then unless they were working to support a wider range of cards (which if ATI would support OpenGL a bit better it’d be a non issue anyways….)
I do hope that people that rely on vista can use SL but i really dont reccomend using it. If your getting it for eye candy switch to Linux. Beryl is much nicer eye candy and it works much better. If Stability again Linux has it. There are open Source / Free alternatives to most programs out there….. Gimp is great as is Inkscape…. Blender as well. You can dual boot to and you really dont need to know all that much especially with Ubuntu :). Driver install is easy :).
Anyways vista support is good one way or another. I just wish vista would work with more natively without being a pain (MS changing api’s for ya though =/)
July 21st, 2007 at 5:41 AM
I’d like to say, even if Second Life was running fine on Windows Vista most of times, i guess this is a long awaited official implementation and a very good improvement for sure.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:51 AM
I just tested and I can confirm that SL + Vista 64-bit with latest graphics card drivers is not stable. 2 crashes in 5 minutes.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:01 AM
We know that Visa requires a lot of memory. We know that SL requires a lot of memory. Have you checked the performance issues of having both systems installed simultaneously? Are there new system requirements when you have both?
July 21st, 2007 at 6:05 AM
I have a desktop on Vista and a laptop on XP…I waaaay prefer the XP OS to Vista, but SL runs perfectly on both.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:10 AM
I’d imagine a little bit yes Shoshana the requirements for vista arnt horrid so long as you have aero and most of the effects off…. Now adays alot of people run 1-2 gigs so they should have an adequate amount to play SL….
July 21st, 2007 at 6:19 AM
Fish Kilby: It got time that vista would be supported but I found that the support on win2K has dropped out seemingly. The current client has memory leaks, jury movement and instability while the version before was good useable.
Starting to support an OS does not really mean “Vista will all of a sudden start working for SL where it did not before”. It just means that the OS is now officially recognised. The most important thing is to make sure your graphics card drivers are the VERY latest.
WarKirby Magojiro: Spelling mistakes on blog entries are kinda embarrasing
I’ll just let that one be funny all by itself.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:47 AM
I had a friend who got up at 3AM to wait in line to be one of the first to buy it, after waiting in the cold, and paying a nice chunk of cash for Vista… he got home installed it and it ruined his computer. He had to re-format his hard drive and he spent 4 days getting everything re-installed and working again, plus he lost 2 weeks of data because he backs up monthly. Like others here, I am staying with XP for the time being.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:31 AM
I have Vista in my latop and I could not run second life until today morning due to error. Now I read your blog and updated ATI Radeon Graphics card driver and then reinstalled second life. And Hurrayyyyyyyyyy!
It is working smooth… Now I can use my graphic tablet and play… Thank you so much…
July 21st, 2007 at 7:32 AM
Running Windows Vista 32 bit on a new Dell XPS m1720.
Nvidia Geforce Go 7950 GTX graphics card.
Has been working like crap ever since I got the computer in April, so I’m usually hiding in my skybox where not much is going on. But a few releases ago something happened, I dont know what, but I know that it made matters 10 times worse. Zooming around kills me, my screen goes black and then it tells me that the display driver stopped responding. And the current First Look viewer, dont get me started. Ahh.
I know so little about computers, I have no idea what to do to fix it. I love SL, but not loving the Vista!
July 21st, 2007 at 7:43 AM
I bought Vista license with my new laptop, because of possible future requirements. Buying it in shops later, is more expensive.
I will be using Linux. And probably Windows-XP, with license from an old PC. Yes, you can take the Windows license from an unused PC.
There is software and guides on-line for “Dual-Booting”. Make sure, that the tools and guides you use match your skill. No need to remove Vista.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:01 AM
Unlike most people here I am not a techie. Like most I only have Vista because, two weeks ago, I bought a new computer. Like the vast majority I don’t have the time or patience to learn a totally new system like Linux or Mac OS.
When I had unpacked my new machine and gone through the OOBE (who thinks this stuff up?) I spent a boring couple of hours on the net updating everything; Windows (of course) and all the drivers; Loaded my student edition of Word (worked first time) and then (deep breath) - SL.
There it was (and still is) in glorious detail on my wide screen so – CTRL+P and raise the graphic settings – still great and no self induced crashes since.
The downside – well some of my favourite programs won’t work but I am promised that upgrades will be winging their way across the ether shortly so I will just have to be patient. And, yet again, I have a lot of work to do to learn how the darn thing works and find out what it can do.
Personally I don’t usually buy the Mk1 of anything, especially computer stuff, and I wouldn’t recommend anyone to spend all that money on Vista if they don’t have to.; far better to spend your hard-earned on some more memory or a new monitor.
Dodgy
July 21st, 2007 at 8:08 AM
i can remember when i first got vista, someone had made a special client for SL vista. Then when the ATI did their update on the radeon, i was able to log on to regular SL. I still have no problems in SL with Vista. Oh, also those who are interested there is a Windows Vista Users group. I suggest on joining and finding out solutions to your problems.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:25 AM
Never had any problems on Vista that weren’t also SL problems on XP, FL is fine too. Only difference is the speed - much faster on Vista
July 21st, 2007 at 8:52 AM
I have been using Vista and SL for a couple of months and have had no problems except for the usual lag we all experience from time to time.
July 21st, 2007 at 9:01 AM
Well.. Already now you can use ATI Mobility cards in vista with SL… I found a way
Check the forum for details:
http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=198960
July 21st, 2007 at 9:54 AM
I don’t know how to make it, problems with the password don’t let me log in, can anybody help me?? or I’ll have to say goodbye
July 21st, 2007 at 10:14 AM
Well, I have a very new computer, on which SL worked fine, with a top of the line NVIDIA graphics card, on which SL worked fine. I loved SL, until I upgraded both my laptop and desktop to Vista. I have not been able to log on since then. Not only that, but Vista caused tons of problems for our office upgrade to Vista. About 1/3 of the devices and programs conflicted. My recommendation to anyone thinking of it:
Unless you are Microsoft Certified and can think of a solid reason to do it (I can’t think of any), avoid it like the plague.
I’ll give SL another month or two and then I’m going to go ahead and delete my account, as it’s useless to me now.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:16 AM
I have been running SL on Vista Ultimate for 3+ months. Vista works very well, and SL runs fine also.
Get over it… stop listening to hearsay and mythology.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:20 AM
Virtually all of the comments regarding Vista remind me of the comments regarding Windows NT when Windows 98 was pervasive, and then regarding Windows 2000, and then again regarding Windows XP. The same comments were made for every service pack.
Be competent… deal with issues… Vista is significantly better than Windows XP… however it has dropped drivers for ancient hardware and it exposes problems in poorly implemented applications.
July 21st, 2007 at 11:12 AM
how about some dual core support now too? fed up of crashing 5-6 times a day
July 21st, 2007 at 11:52 AM
I have Vista, Dual Core, NVidia GeForce 8600 GTS, and the ONLY thing that doesn’t work with it, is SL….constant crashing.
Everything else (including games) had patches and they work great. Let’s hope SL can do the same for us
July 21st, 2007 at 11:52 AM
i’ve been using Vista with SL since it was released and i have had no more problems running SL than i had with winXP or Linux or mac osx
some days it runs ok and some days it does not it depends on how the LL servers are running.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:05 PM
I play with no problems and fast in Vista ultimate.
Only a minimal issue with a texture of a hud, and is very casual.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:09 PM
Zebadee set the affinity of the second life process to only use a single core this avoid alot of the problems with it….
July 21st, 2007 at 12:18 PM
i always find it funny that IT professionals are quoted as reliable sources as to not do something. Most of us don’t abuse our operatings systems, and will work fine for NORMAL use. Also, its been my experience that IT people are generally the laziest people on the planet…they often get troubled when you ask then to fix a printer cable that died…I know its not like its in their job description (is where I work).
Vista’s been great since I got it. SL worked from day one and I get beautiful graphics out of it. My install went great without a hitch and took less time then XP did, everyday less and less 32 bit apps are running and I am good with an OS for several more years….
and without any extra installs, I got to watch Robbie Dingo’s Watch the World wirelessly streamed to my big screen. Thanks again Robbie
OS
July 21st, 2007 at 1:25 PM
To Vista, just seach (google) about blackboxing and homecall.
I bet all get scared about it.
MS checks every week Vista online for the Key, if the key isnt in thems Database, they lockup your Vista (and this happend not only one times that legal activated vista versions and keys got blacklisted by MS)
As well Vista has no hardware audio/video, also they downstream non dmca video`s to an lower quality and much other things.
Vista is crap like Millenium was.
July 21st, 2007 at 2:02 PM
Well…. Not even It Professionals Oceanna …… Vista has wide problems for most people yes SL works with it but for instance here… My brother went and got a computer at Best Buy it came with a printer. The printer’s drivers (a printer that came with the computer which had vista on it) didnt work. The fact of the matter is that development on drivers is slow because MS has forced all manufactures that release drivers to digitally sign them which costs them money each and every driver release….
Crippling your OS isnt a good move for anyone plain and simple they cut out alot of 3rd party stuff or have started to and if its a continuing trend with vienna (the next installment of windows) MS may end up hurting themselves to heavily in the PC market…. When we get down to it the only reason people use Windows is it supports the widest array of programs, games etc…. Do i hold that against them? No I think windows is good but its filled with so many quirks its mind boggling they finally improved memory managment (which was supposed to come around in earlier (before windows 9
versions..)
But the other fact is they predict vista will have strong market share in 5 years…. Note that Vienna comes out in 2 - 2 1/2 years so thats a bit absurd unless Vienna is crap…. The fact is MS changes their API’s and developers need to adapt to the new API and it makes for a hellish process. If the api’s didnt change they’d really have no reason to upgrade the OS. They change API toss in a few pretty things add more needless bloat to the core and then charge you more for it to keep up on “new technology” which is rubbish to a degree…
Sure you have computability mode but yeesh it should run natively right out without crippling past products. If MS ever gets that right maybe things will work better but *sigh*. They still dont seem to get that bloat and pretty graphics dont make things run better…
July 21st, 2007 at 2:05 PM
Also IT people arnt lazy those are just usually the ones hired by schools or an OEM that really have no idea what they are doing. If trained properly an IT guy is great if they just went through some like Geek Squad training (pardon the best buy reference) they may not know what you expect them to. The problem isnt that vista is outrightly bad its that MS poorly implements their Operating Systems at the start. They always have and likely always will. Since they control market share and Windows comes on most new Pc’s they can really get away with it….
In that light vista support is good but if MS would stop their ways things would convert smoothly between operating systems…. Of course then they wouldnt make billions of dollars…
July 21st, 2007 at 2:39 PM
Just my 2 cents… Vista has been installed on my computer since the day it was released. There has been no problems at all, as long as I have the vidio drivers installed. there were a couple of drivers that didnt like second life, but I have always been able to use a different driver if I had a problem, and that has only been a single driver or perhaps two. I am running a pair of 8800gtx cards though, not sure if it would be different with older cards.
Vista works just fine.
BTW, windows may have some problems sometimes, but I remember DOS…lol, so I think windows is just a little better than we had before
See you in world
July 21st, 2007 at 3:21 PM
Vista will work sure but those with older systems are going to run into more problems because of the newer requirments. If you want direct X 10 you need to buy a 8000 series card. In my case i’d need to upgrade my computer entierly if i wanted direct x 10…. If your just trying to run an app or 2 and they work fine sure but alot of stuff i use doesnt work. Sam broadcaster and the like just dont work with vista currently.
The point of the matter is this is ok for when an OS comes out…. My problem is that Microsoft adamantly deny time and time again that vista has problems. They also start these propaganda claims and moves against other Operating Systems (The whole Linux fiasco with Novell and Microsoft ) and now they are trying to make deals with other Distributions (using their claim that Linux users owe them money and strong arming the distributions into deals with the threat of being sued looming over their head (they claim some kinda IP and blah its stupid)
My problem with MS arises from the companies actions on design and just the whole corporate greed aspect. Plus Steve Ballmer has gotta be the worst person in the public eye for MS really he needs to keep his yap shut…. What i see is them focusing more on Xbox the windows really =/. My point is people prefer windows cuz of applications your average run of the mill computer user could care less if they had linux osx or windows. However windows is usually the easiest for them since they usually just go OEM or go to best buy etc……..
I wont run around saying blah vista sucks but it does have its problems that really need to be addressed. Microsoft itself needs a better Q&A and R&D area as well to know what the operating system really needs… And they need to start listening more to people using the OS rather then their wallets =/.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:23 PM
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1574
July 21st, 2007 at 4:29 PM
Does Vista support still have this problem?:
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1574
July 21st, 2007 at 4:30 PM
Can someone give the PJIRA link? Thx
July 21st, 2007 at 4:48 PM
glad to see official support finally coming, excellent news
whatever anyone thinks of Vista, it’s a reality that lots of new computers are coming with it preinstalled and SL needs to be supported on them 
July 21st, 2007 at 5:14 PM
SL is not working with Vista on my Fujitsu N6420 laptop. Laptop has an ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 graphics card. ATI’s driver web-site offers no support for laptops. Apparently the laptop makers install their own drivers. It has been a week with no solutions from Fujitsu or Linden Labs. Very frustrating to say the least.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:14 PM
My freind has been running sl under vista for a few weeks now, with no more then the regular problems with it. She just runs it in compatibility mode.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:26 PM
Well I can’t find a computer that runs SL, much less Vista. Every store I have been to, they are like 2-4 prims, and look really nice, but they don’t do much of anything. Maybe it’s a scripting issue. Someone needs to script a computer that will play SL. If there is one please send me the LM and the maker, cause I haven’t seen it. The one I have now has SL loaded, but it’s locked up because it’s the same screen no matter when I rez it. It’s the SL login screen, and that’s all.
*sigh*
July 21st, 2007 at 5:39 PM
Actually I just thought, does anyone have a texture of SL actually running? Do you think that would help? Thanks in advance