New mainland continent on the way
Friday, July 6th, 2007 at 1:57 PM by: Jack LindenSince it first appeared in April, we have been selling land on the mainland continent that we affectionately call Nautilus, but that continent of 740+ regions will soon be complete. A new continent, Corsica, will therefore begin to appear within the next couple of weeks, sitting to the north of the Nautilus land mass. The new continent will have a larger quantity of waterfront land, plenty of bays and waterways and will be sold in region sized auctions as usual.
In advance of this, today we will be placing 40 regions for auction on the current Nautilus region.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:05 PM
740+ mainland regions brought online since April - and the price of mainland has been going down - guess that’s one BIG reason why! Care to comment, Jack, on just what kind of pace of introduction you intend to follow with this new continent? If you continue to roll out new mainland regions at the same rate, mainland land would appear to be a VERY poor investment to make right now!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Now how about fixing prim drift and the new memory leak(s)?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Well…
Mainland tier fo 65k sqm is still very different from estate.
Dreamland is now on the way to rise prices…
what about a decreas of the estate region fee, or a rise in Linden tier for large sqm ?
a fair competition between Lindens and estate owners would be something many people would enjoy.
cheers
Ralf
July 6th, 2007 at 2:15 PM
Do these “continent” names have any real value, to the average user? As far as I can tell, the only real difference between mainland and island is who you pay the tier to - and that generally, mainland doesn’t have any covenants to it. It might be nice to indicate the “continents” on the main map, and/or indicate major regions of islands as “archipelagos”.
For that matter, is there a good place to see a graphic of the entire world map, at some reasonable resolution?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:23 PM
When you say ‘regions’ what size is that please?
I just don’t have that information handy…
July 6th, 2007 at 2:28 PM
I know I might sound like a pest, but why not put the new continent on the Teen Grid as well?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:31 PM
K, got those numbers for others:
65,536 = 1 Region
32,768 = 1/2 Region
16,384 = 1/4 Region
8,192 = 1/8 Region
4,096 = 1/16 Region
2,048 = 1/32 Region
1,024 = 1/64 Region
512 = 1/128 Region
As for tier prices are they the same?
And…if I wanted to buy land to fulfill my present tier payment (I still have some land left to buy on my tier allowance) could I buy it on the new continent?
I’m sure I won’t be the only person asking these questions.
Thankx
July 6th, 2007 at 2:32 PM
Typically a region is 65k sq m, or an entire sim.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:32 PM
>> 740+ mainland regions brought online since April - and the price of mainland has been going down - guess that’s one BIG reason why!
Still, given the lag on the mainland, you couldn’t drag me back there with wild horses! I wonder if it will ever be possible using the SL infrastructure to have a lag free SL? Many people to try SL appear to give up because they didnt’ get high speed in order to experience something so slow on the Internet.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:39 PM
Schizm> one region refers to the one sim. ie: 65
For the sake of my own curiosity - what is the name for the new(ish) continent that came before Nautilus?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:40 PM
Blah. i meant to say 65536sqm
July 6th, 2007 at 2:45 PM
Didn’t somebody falsely predict that Nautlius would be the last ever mainland continent?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:46 PM
For lag free Estate land is the way to go!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:48 PM
Im guessing this will be Main Grid, NOT Teen Grid?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:58 PM
Dear Lindens, u piss me off.
not only you steal me thousands of lindens, now u steal my inventory too.
ppl, dont return aything to urself, the motherfucker will broke them up before deliver them to u
yess i am very angry.
u all better dont buy anything this weekend or spend any money in SL
July 6th, 2007 at 2:59 PM
I’d love to see a list of some of those other affectionate names, so I know what continent my home is on.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:01 PM
Nice to finally hear the Nautilus name officially announced. Is there a name for the eastern continent just to the south of Nautilus, the one built right after the southernmost continent was finished? (And does the southernmost continent also have a name?)
July 6th, 2007 at 3:03 PM
In “about land”, on the covenant tab, it shows The Region Name, the Estate name, and the Estate Owner. It would be nice if Lindens would put the continent name as the “Estate” name. I think it flashes up “mainland” quickly, then hides right now. It would be nice to see something like “Estate: Nautilus (mainland)” there, and perhaps “Governor Linden” as the Estate owner. Just a thought.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:05 PM
what`s the point?
it will be turned into the same crap we know today on the mainland in days, adfarms will grow faster then u can alts with bo registration policy and not to mention the amount of bugs
if u need money to hire new and better devs, just say so instead of releasing 400 more regions as half the grid is up for sale
July 6th, 2007 at 3:06 PM
one side complains that mainland is too cheap, the other that it is too laggy. Sounds like a good free market to me. Want less lag, spend more money - want to spend less, accept some lag.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:16 PM
The part about “larger quantity of waterfront land, plenty of bays and waterways…” sounds great and all… if LL does it right. Nautilus suffers from beach land being cut off from protected water due to too many full-water sims being sold. There isn’t a single Linden river or waterway on Nautilus making casual travel very difficult, and scripting is disabled on every protected water on the continent. If they fix these issues on the new land mass I’m sure it will be a big success.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:18 PM
What a pity that all that hard work creating beautiful new continents will be wasted, as land barons and land bot scam artists carve it up into tiny bits, fill it with ad farms, flatten it into pancakes, and generally trash it.
The land barons and landbot operators get richer, the mainland gets worse, and no one but a handful of greedy speculators wins.
Could LL at least CONSIDER creating a mainland Continent that was zoned to some degree, beyond PG/Mature designations for sims? A continent where it is not allowed to carve parcels into sizes smaller than 512 M2 would be a step in the right direction, as would be a ban on ad farms and obvious land extortion griefing. SOme costal areas where it was zoned strictly residential, with no ads or businesses allowed, might actually be worth paying for.
But there is little sense buying a beautiful mainland waterfront parcel, when any land estortion punk can destroy its value at will by surrounding your beautiful build with ugly rotating ad farms on 16 M2 micro parcels, priced at extortion rates.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:24 PM
I doubt the estate sims are really running on faster servers, it is most likely because there are rules so people do not have spinning objects and other laggy and moreso ugly stuff to bog down the servers. Also, there are much fewer child agents and main agents for that matter on estates which accounts for a big decrease in lag.
Over the last few months, the number of ad farms has gotten way out of control. There needs to be a minimum plot size of at least 64m and a max number of times (like 4) you can cut a contigues 512m parcel. But will LL ever do this? I doubt it. I’d wager to that that 80% of the time they make more money off island tiers than they do mainland.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:30 PM
PLz PLZ PLZ if you are going to do this, LL plz do these common courtesies.
1) put linden water ways in between owned property ( you have this on original continent but not on nautilus and owned property impedes any enjoyment of said waterways.
2) set the linden open water sims auto return to 60. ( Again on original continent you can cruise out to middle and “hang out”. ON nautilus the auto return is set to freakin 5 mins????? really what is the point in having the big lakes if you cant enjoy them?)
3) bring back some of the beauty expressed on the original continent with uniqueness like wanton rivers, damns, etcetera. make exploring these so called water ways something enjoyable.
If you are going to do another new continent then plz PLZ do it right??
I think Nautilaus was an attempt to recapture the beauty of the northern part of the original continent, but lacks in many ways.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:34 PM
A new Mainland sim inherently more laggy than a new Estate sim? ? ? ?
Same sim servers, same asset servers, same presence servers, same grid, same Internet. I don’t buy that.
OK! I’ll bite.
If so, Why?
Someone’s going to tell me that Mainland servers are on bandwidth-throttled racks?
Maybe people mean that eventually some Mainland sims could become very laggy because of an unmanaged free-for-all on script and texture resources by plot owners.
More mainland? Love it! Bring it on!
Yes, more ad-farms (to block), more builds that make one want to puke.
But at the same time more space for someone who can’t afford an island to develop something unique and wonderful that an Estate manager/covenant would suppress.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:35 PM
WoW! Millions and Millions of square meters for Campers and ad Farms and just in time the prices are so high on lots
Really though shouldn’t we let the current supply dry up a little before dumping all that on the grid?
July 6th, 2007 at 3:42 PM
I think it’s great for LL to make more land for residents to live on but the new land will soon be bought up, ad farmed to death and turned into a trash heap that few would want to live on.
I don’t know how you could do this but I would love it if LL made a continent zoned for residential only with no ad farms and trashy looking malls and clubs.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:43 PM
Which ground textures will LL be applying to the Corsica sims?
July 6th, 2007 at 3:44 PM
All resident should have access to a little piece of land, to be at home, with enough capacity to build something in peace and discretion : that would be nice !
July 6th, 2007 at 3:45 PM
I agree with post 18. can you turn on object entry in these empty water sims? Like Yabby and dugong? even with a one min return just so we can set our boats down and actually use some of this open space fer recreation? Was able to use them before but since some bozo encroached their wall into the protected water strip it is unpassable now.
And yes ad farms are becoming a serious blight. does anyone even use them ? Most people see them and become so mad about them why would they want to visit a place that is ruining their view with their advertisements. I block them so they cannot be seen from my property.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:47 PM
lmao.. mainland cheap? i see land for sale there that is priced way more than an entire island. guess there are still an inventory of available gullible people somewhere lol.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:52 PM
Can’t afford a region. How about selling smaller plots? Only *want* a 2048 in a roughly square area… but do NOT want to spend in excess of 40k + on it.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:52 PM
You know what’d be lovely, is large swaths of Linden land where one can can come to just enjoy nature. All these tiny parcels with horrible-looking n00b builds and rotating ad-farms get old after a while.
Know what else’d be lovely? Connecting the new continent(s) (Nautilus and/or Corsica) to the original mainland by some Linden watersims. I always liked being able to sail between the original two continents, even though I couldn’t actually go anywhere on either of the continents because of the very tiny rivers that lead inland. SL does, indeed, need alot more watersims, alot more interesting stuff on the bottom of these watersims, and more deep water (80m or so).
July 6th, 2007 at 4:00 PM
New mainland? Hmm…I’d love to take a look at it…too bad I can’t get in anymore because SL STILL ISN’T COMPATIBLE WITH VISTA!! Is this EVER going to be resolved??
July 6th, 2007 at 4:08 PM
Oh god this sounds like the plot to superman r– actually hey, this means we get more land, hopefully the continent wont be as laggy as the mainland.
I also suggest in the middle of the initial land you create, put a large volcano in the middle of it.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:09 PM
While I agree with the people asking for SOME (maybe all) of this new continent to have some type of Building Zone attached to it, I also know this will never, and I mean NEVER, happen.
A long time ago, in a SIM named Slate, there was a man who built a railroad. People came from all over to see it, and loved it. This man decided to make his choo-choo actually go, and started a group that would go out and either buy or get people to donate land for the railroad passing thru their area. At one point, over 15 SIMs had joined the cause.
Around this same time, someone at Linden Lab showed up in Slate and asked what the Slate Community Leaders were thinking about the overall Second Life experience and how it might be better. We brought up the idea of the Railroad going National in Second Life. That any new SIMs being brought online would actually be made in such a way that Linden Land would connect the railroads from one SIM to another. Of course, this was met with a resounding “NO”, but in my efforts to change their mind, I told the person doing the asking (and who had the power to see it get done) that they weren’t thinking far enough into the future. A National Second Life Railroad would be a great experience for all, and fun for the Social player who just wants to explore without flying everywhere. Still, we were told, “NO”. About a year later, I received an IM from that certain Linden, who asked if I still thought the Railroad would be a good idea in Second Life. I sadly had to inform this person that the time to jump on the Railroad had passed. Too many SIMs had already been added and the logistics to make the National Railroad connect thru each SIM just wasn’t possible, but, I appreciated that they finally understood what we were telling them over a year earlier.
What’s that got to do with today’s announcement. Simply put, Linden Lab decision makers can’t see past tomorrow, and therefore, they WILL NOT ever understand WHY the community wants some Building Zones in place. When the Slate Community owned 99% of Slate, we had a simple Building Zone, it had to look natural, like a lake house, or cabin, and people were happy with that. Many people wanted to join the Slate Community for that very reason. It’s sad really that Linden Lab decision makers can’t seem to understand what the community wants, until the community yells and screams.
Now, if I were to setup another 400 SIM continent, I would map out Rivers that connected from one SIM to another, make sure the waterfront property for sale DID NOT include the waterway to keep accesses open, and put in Lakes and Ponds. All this area would be under Linden Control so NO ONE could erase what was created. I would then think hard and long about how the areas should be zoned, and fight hard to keep some of the beautiful places in Second Life, beautiful, not turned into Chaos, as most SIMs have a habit of doing.
Philip, if you are interested, I would be happy to come out to San Fran for a couple of weeks (on your dime of course) and plan out the new 400 SIM continent
July 6th, 2007 at 4:17 PM
Ok LL Why Not Give Teen Grid Alot more Sims. The land Barrons are takeing over and raiseing land above what it should be. Plus you should Ban Boting. But Give Teen Grid MORE SIMS or Lower are Privite Islands! Please LL Save TG
July 6th, 2007 at 4:27 PM
This makes me very happy. I bet the land will be selling quickly and of course will sell for a high penny. Christopher Molinaro shouts:this will make a good profit. Aeper Jie trust me linden lab will give teens land
In the future. The only reason why the main grid is getting so much attention is because linden lab is experiencing a lot of stress do to the high percent of new ADULT residents. When the time comes these continents will be recreated for teens use. I am very glad that you are sharing our thoughts with the lindens and i hope they see your understanding for teens and second ife
signed Christopher Molinaro
active second life resident on main grid
July 6th, 2007 at 4:32 PM
“Now, if I were to setup another 400 SIM continent, I would map out Rivers that connected from one SIM to another, make sure the waterfront property for sale DID NOT include the waterway to keep accesses open, and put in Lakes and Ponds.”
Second comment to say Amen to that. The Nautilus sims are a con. Mostly the water areas seem to be prairie ‘land’ that you can’t stand on (i.e. water), so people plank down prim ‘ground’ and treat it like any other old non-water mainland.
If you want to sail your boat with a guarantee that you won’t run into ban lines or a wall, just make your house and dock really tiny.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:42 PM
@26
Good say, but thtey’ve never gone back and developed (roads, etc) the “roads” going through existing sims…
July 6th, 2007 at 4:42 PM
2 Ralf Haifisch Says:what about a decreas of the estate region fee, or a rise in Linden tier for large sqm ?
Yeah why no just charge $1 for the land to buy and $1600US per month tier?
Darien Caldwell Says: For lag free Estate land is the way to go!
You have zero lag? My class3 mainland has less lag than many class 5’s
And for gawd sake put some roads in even if they are useless for cars, no bugger can work out where the front of property is.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:56 PM
Why are we building new continents while the old ones aren’t finished? Where are the sims that should be west of Jadu, for example? There’s this huge swath of missing sims on that continent, and rather than finish them, we’re adding new sims elsewhere? It doesn’t make any sense. Not to mention hideous chops missing from the shoreline like at the west side of Nogojiri.
I guess I shouldn’t care — I gave up on the mainland a long time ago. But it makes me sad…
July 6th, 2007 at 5:03 PM
Would some Linden be so nice as to post a list of names of current continents (and which they correspond too)? I’ve missed a few!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:24 PM
Aki Shichiroji Says:
July 6th, 2007 at 2:39 PM PDT
For the sake of my own curiosity - what is the name for the new(ish) continent that came before Nautilus?
10 mmccann Says:
July 6th, 2007 at 2:59 PM PDT
I’d love to see a list of some of those other affectionate names, so I know what continent my home is on.
Ava Glasgow Says:
July 6th, 2007 at 3:01 PM PDT
Nice to finally hear the Nautilus name officially announced. Is there a name for the eastern continent just to the south of Nautilus, the one built right after the southernmost continent was finished? (And does the southernmost continent also have a name?)
I too would like to know the names of the other continents?
Ohh and great news that you are adding more! Since there is no more first land this will help to keep land costs down!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:36 PM
When I came aboard in September, a lot went for an easy 4000Ls.
It was when I sold it, cheaply, I hoped to another newbie, that a bot got it for a mere 5000. Pleeeze disallow bot purchases. Sometimes a low price is for friends. Or just a guy being nice.
Yes, on the new continent, consider the location of commercial and residential zoning important. And yes, disallow the platforming and hard-walling of things like the sea.
Second Life, very much, needs smooth easy travel that is continuously visible. I thought a yacht would do it until I hit an invisible wall. Could you also permit paving of your highways by its neighbors?
Just want to see SL the best! At an age approaching 70, SL, it seems is my First Life.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:45 PM
The old SF & colour (Core), snow, volcanic, island, and lake district sims comprise The Southern Continent;
The crater sims to the north are The Moth Continent;
I don’t know what the new continent of the asian and what is that Gaelic sims is called;
The new new continent that they’re just finishing is just called Nautilus;
And the new new nonexistent one will be called The Corsican Continent I suppose.
Have I missed anything?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:53 PM
Mainland land isn’t cheap, but the tier is ridiculous. Land prices have dropped by 50% (thanks to somebody dumping endless continents and islands onto the market) but the tier has remained fixed.
Currently the tier on a 512 is about 50% of the purchase price, and that’s every month. Not very ‘first home’ friendly.
The pressure on each sq.m. to generate ridiculous levels of revenue is why most of the mainland is looking so awful.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:12 PM
G’day Jack
Nice to hear you are creating lovely water ways and lakes - always my fave especially when they are on hillside land!
And thank you sooo much Khamon (post33)!! Now I know where I live!
GO THE SOUTHERN CONTINENT!!! It’s the most beautiful and diverse land - I live on the volcano, the lakes, the snow and the beach ALL in “The Southern Continent”. (I have four homes and change every season). *grins* YAY!
Cheers
Alex - the girl that loves the original mainland!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:24 PM
Anyone can say what is the name of other continents?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:38 PM
So, is there ever going to be another shot at 512sqm plots again, or does the universe now belong only to those who can buy en entire region?
This becomes a real problem when almost everyone is frozen out of land. Sure, it says I can have 512sqm if I can buy it, but rent is the only way, right now. And that is not in the picture.
So, are the rest of us (who can’t afford to buy an island) frozen out for all time? Or is there something else that we can look forward to.
Nacre Swindlehurst
July 6th, 2007 at 6:50 PM
actually a few of my friends have noticed what appears to be a new continent that which was this gigantic desert consisting of many sims (too many for me too count) such as the nunki, camulus, seth, mercury and sterope sims. are these sims a part of one of those new continents or are they a part of something else?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:52 PM
I’d be quite happy if the inland sections of the new continent didn’t have that ugly rock texture that Nautilus has.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:55 PM
More land? um? wonder if it going to cause land prices to drop?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:56 PM
Oh please! how long does it take to allow remarks?!
July 6th, 2007 at 7:07 PM
All of this land development is destroying the value of what we smaller landowners have. Keep driving it down LL, and you’ll get it down to 1L per m2. Everyone that is screaming ‘its a free market economy’ are forgetting something. LL can keep this virtual world growing until they devalue of everything to the point that ONLY people HEAVILY vested here will make money.
Well, I guess I contradict myself. Its the same as the natural world. SCREW the little guy.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:34 PM
has to laugh……not to be ruse but you all are whining about your land……yes i have a free acct but i put in as much as most premiums….i rent a very nice low lag parcel….maybe that would be an option for the ones that are sick of mainland junk
July 6th, 2007 at 8:05 PM
Will somebody say hallelujia for more land? Poorer folks who want room for their creative visions, and to add value to the Second Life experience, have been getting priced out of the market. For myself, I’d be happy if all the Mainland land barons went bust, so that Mainland plots can go back to being what it should be - a working space for people’s vision, not merely a profit center.
Well done Linden Labs!!
July 6th, 2007 at 8:08 PM
Now if LL could only afford to cut down tier a wee bit.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:28 PM
That’s nice, but the continent I live on has a silly empty strip of missing sims right down the center. Couldn’t your design team finish a current continent before adding a new one? Thanks for your consideration.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:35 PM
I own my own sim, Necros, and have designated it as a community sim. However it seems it’s a never ending, and loosing, battle against the adfarms… If they can’t get small land they buy up 512’s and adfarm the rest. I’m getting so SICK of it. But there is no way I can afford a $300 a month island to the betterment of SL beauty. How about a tier discount for purely pleasure sims?
July 6th, 2007 at 8:39 PM
The mainland price isn’t down , it;s still up, as info for all the newbie sellers…so keep bolting them out ** the more the merrier **. Before certain planless people ran the auction orice for sims up to 3000$ it was easy to buy a sim between 1000 and 1200 $ and the land could be sold around 6 L per meter to the enduser.If you’re talking about a bad investment right now, then its the fault of the prices you pay….
July 6th, 2007 at 8:43 PM
I guess LL is trying to drive all the private island developers out of business.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:46 PM
/me reads post, laughs maniacially as the prices plummet again and the panic ensues for a day… then expects the same as usual come next week. ad farms, land extortion, unfinished infrastructure… etc.
is glad she lives on estate land and couldn’t give a toot about the mainland :p way less stress…
July 6th, 2007 at 8:48 PM
When I first joined SL last July, I was on the mainland about a dozen times, each time more laggy and unpleasant than the last. I gave up on it as soon as I figured out there were private estates out there. Then, I went through a short period of wondering if I should take the plunge and become more than a free member- but the only incentive for me was First Land- we all know what happened to that! So I’m still a unregistered “no payment on file” and happy to remain so.
Meanwhile, there are SO many private estates out there with none of the problems we’re discussing here. I think Otherland is top notch- they seem to be carefully watching LL and learning from their mistakes- even as LL ignores the same mistakes and pretends our concerns (voiced again and again) are invalid. And no estate covenant I’ve seen suppresses creative building- provided it’s high up in the sky!
July 6th, 2007 at 8:55 PM
Don - private islands aren’t affected one whit by mainland sales. Land rentals - har, not. People can’t get in fast enough where I am in Caledon. It is very hard to build community in the mainland chaos - I know, I tried, I gave up and moved to the islands. Find a reliable well known private estate and your headaches will go a long way to being relieved… this will not change, has not changed. Private estate orders keep coming in even at the higher price for them.
yeah, maybe the people who do nothing but make pancake islands with nothing special about them for rental - people who want private estate rental land generally want a bit more and there’s a glut there too. But over in Caledon, people can’t get in fast enough. There’s a months long waiting list. I’m glad I got in when I did. I wouldn’t trade my quarter sim in Caledon for anything, not even for 2 whole sims of mainland.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:00 PM
I’m very happy on Azure Islands, where I live. But I’m also very happy in Rosieri, where my shop is. And the performance isn’t noticably better in one place or another, though it tends to be better on the mainland.
coco
July 6th, 2007 at 10:12 PM
I agree with many of the comments with respect to invoking some sort of common sense policy across the board. Having said that, perhaps the fairest way to improve the mainland comes down to a single word: ZONING. By allowing landowners to vote for either a.) residential; b.) commercial; or c.) residential/commercial mixed, it would radically change the way things are being conducted now. If it makes sense to have zoning statues in real life to prevent a few from destroying an area for the rest, then it is long overdue here in Second Life as well. But to not have zoning, it creates a rigged deck market that clearly lines the pockets of those who aim to cash in on the obvious flaw that has been allowed to stand. It also speaks volumes about this having engendered a “mad dash” mentality with respect to members seeking out more expensive island properties, and it does so at the expense of insulting all those with mainland deeds. Before adding a new continent fair and reasonable rules need to be established on what already exists. Otherwise, the nonsense will continue.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Island living is all very well, just sold mine (at a loss) for many reasons but while I don’t miss an isolationist feeling I do miss the lack of rubbish around me on a zoned estate. Mainland, these days, if I buy mainland it will either be the whole region sometime or I’ll just be building in the sky at 760 and not CARING what is around me.
Do you think people will stop paying crazy money and making huge bids for mainland now please?
July 6th, 2007 at 10:23 PM
@42 and similar - absolutely right - land barons wanting to outbid each other/punish each other for being a competitior are the reason why this happens. Look on the auctions recently won page … same old names over and over again.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:26 PM
Quote:Mainland land isn’t cheap, but the tier is ridiculous. Land prices have dropped by 50% (thanks to somebody dumping endless continents and islands onto the market) but the tier has remained fixed.
Currently the tier on a 512 is about 50% of the purchase price, and that’s every month. Not very ‘first home’ friendly.
The pressure on each sq.m. to generate ridiculous levels of revenue is why most of the mainland is looking so awful. QUOTE
Ummmm … I don’t understand this here. First home, first 512 ownership … NO tier for 512 …
July 6th, 2007 at 10:38 PM
I do think that putting out new lands FOR SALE are a really good thing. I am lloking for a piece of land TO BUY. I want to be OWNER of it. I am looking on the Search for land sale SINCE A MONTH. But people seem to ONLY rent land now. Even if their add say land for sale… they ask U to pay a damn little rental box thingy. There is a place in the classified to advertise ur land rental. So I tell why the hell U , big company who offer land to rent, are filling up the land sale section with ur land to rent?
And oh for all the people who complain that the land prices are going down… well when I started to play the priced were more reasonable, but since then, there as been a huge boom of new players and lands prices just went up to the ceiling. So putting more lands out will - I hope - put back the prices at a more reasonable state.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:46 PM
@23 - just cause the land is over priced doesn’t mean it sells. I know there is a lot of overpriced land in sims I frequent that has sat unsold for months.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:52 PM
Cherry, I think what they are talking about is after the first 512.
On another note, I’m fairly certain it must exist somewhere in Linden Land…a full map of the SL grid for everyone’s enjoyment. Wouldn’t that be a party ice breaker…looky here…the world !!!
July 6th, 2007 at 10:59 PM
Vocianna, there are three ways of doing that…
go to a secondary site like SLEX and look there… people will list that the auction goes to paying either them the tier or paying LL.
go to secondlife main site; auction… there ARE lands there for auction/sale… sometimes, its just a matter of a lot of hunting… look on the grid map.. easier to find….. i think one of SL’s biggest problems is still the main website is still VERY hard for the average user to navigate…. i webmaster for a living and can find it sometimes tough to find what im looking for.
the best way in my opinion… search in-game. I own a good deal of land, rent most of it out in order to make cash, and am always looking for more land at a good price to buy. when u click “buy land” it tells you weather or not it is covenant land or LL tier right on the buy page where it says “this will increase your tier by __ ” honestly, ive found its the best way to find and buy land… just map navigate it, then simply go there. odd that there isnt really a better way to do it out of game, but maybe thats something that could be improved in the future. most people anymore are inclined to sell land as a covenant agreement because of tier fees… its cheaper to deed the lands to a group, and gets cheaper still the more land u own… so most want to “sell” land to people to cover tier cost, while still maintaining the amount of land…. if that makes any sense :))
July 6th, 2007 at 11:05 PM
@34 “The pressure on each sq.m. to generate ridiculous levels of revenue is why most of the mainland is looking so awful.”
This is an odd mindset here. It seems that thinking that your land needs to generate a certain income level is the mindset that causes the problems. You don’t think your cable/dish bill needs to be covered by profits you make on cable tv for example. Many of us find SL to be an entertainment or pastime. You know, something we are used to paying for like music, books, vacations. If I happen to cover my tier level from things i sell I consider that a bonus. But I enjoy SL and too much worrying about making a profit makes it too much work. And I make a lot more at my job without the worrying.
maybe that is the big divider here - those of us who are here for fun and those of us who think this is a job.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:11 PM
Corsica… hmm.. course it can… course it cant… get rid of mega prims, so they will still be used by griefers on Corsica.
In the UK, what one can do regarding business, in villages, towns, cities, waterways, sea and the countryside is defined.. green belt, brown belt, etc.. What one can build and where.
It determines how the environment looks.
Public rights of way.. remain public, even though some are seldom used now.
Lindens could do that with Corsica. Infrastructure…. course it can..
July 6th, 2007 at 11:28 PM
There’s a region called Quagmire!
Giggidy, giggidy
July 6th, 2007 at 11:38 PM
So anyone who bought a particular piece of land because it was next to a watery Linden sim and couldn’t be built upon is potentially out of luck?
July 6th, 2007 at 11:48 PM
exciting news, yet like other’s i feel the dread of the take overs… i do not know how to find these new grids, nor really understand what a grid is…so if someone can ‘tp me’ lol i would appreciate the chance to see.
I’d like to have a vote on creating a new grid, like the teen grid, for all those who have proved to be griefers, and scoundrels and criminals.
i love this game, but am wearing thin, trying to protect myself…it is not fun for me to play this, it takes up time, so takes time away from the main object for many, we pay to have fun.
instead we live in fear, of illegal scripting etc…
i have had more av’s ruined until i found one with permissions to copy and mod…
i am sure enough honest ppl would help support this issue, giving names is one thing.
i realize LL does not have enough help to keep up with all the issues needing attention…so i suggest, those of us who want to live in peace among other honest ppl, organize with a Linden, to support them and guide…and sort thru reports of griefing, so LL has time to create a world in which they can not leave, until they have decided they want to live among honest and fun loving ppl.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Why do you set up so much mainland sims ? So Landprice gets lower … but whats with privat sim ownerst .. you get a lot of money from them. I think we should have a change, so lower that prices too.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:59 PM
Yes, in agreement with #27, the Teen Grid is rather sad-looking when it comes to area. When you’re done with this, would you take a second and give us some land as well? =)
And yes, the ugliness of botters and giant, spinning, FOR SALE cubes runs rampant in both grids. If there’s a revolution soon for pretty parcels and actual (or as actual as virtual can get) communities, I’ll join it. Heck, I’ll lead it!
Love to the Lindens,
Amilia
July 7th, 2007 at 12:00 AM
I’ve been on SL a relatively short time (just over 3 months) but I can’t for the life of me figure out what the heck people are talking about when they refer to the mainland. I look at the interactive map and I see two masses…are those two combined considered the mainland? Has land been sold connecting them that hasn’t been placed yet? What about the huge number of developed sims surrounding them? Are those islands? It’s all very confusing to me and since I can’t fly across the continent low enough to see anything (because of ban lines), I find the whole thing disorienting.
While I hope LL puts more thought into designing Corsica, I don’t think it’s a good idea to add zoning restrictions (okay, maybe here and there for open land and such), but I’d rather let the free market reign. Dreamland? I wouldn’t waste my time buying there because there is no true zoning, however, I’d be more willing to purchase land in Caledon which is generally more expensive because of the beautiful way in which it has been developed. Watching land sales in Caledon it appears to me others agree that better quality regions are worth paying more for.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:28 AM
wait for the blog lawyer to allow me to post………
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 AM
Please people,
Everybody in SL has about the same servers. The LAG on a sim has mostly to do with how it is managed. Also how a sim looks has to do with rules and enforcing these rules. Linden has no time to active manage SIMMs. So setting rules would not really help. I have lived in Otherland Estate quiet a while and there is no excessive lag and it all looks super-beautiful because of the strict rules and a team of managers that keep an eye on following the rules and controlling the lag all the time.
After experiencing this, there is no way you see me owning land on the mainland ever again. I gladly pay this few dollars extra to have a house in a Lag-free and beautiful setting. And in addition, when I call for help, there actually is someone responding right away who knows what to do.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 AM
I read some posts about more transportation systems. And I want to say - that IS a good idea. A lot of people would gather near railroads and waterways. For the social, ‘meeter’ player, this would mean more friends, more chatting. For the explorer, these ways would improve transportation without flying or using planes. Just look at the Freebie Warehouse, at Burns. It is located 300 meters of a (disused) train station and has a road just in front of it. It is often too crowded… You see the link? I once heard Cubey Terra - Abbotts Airport owner - saying the waterways were mostly unknown. I should add : (too) shallow, (too) tiny. Teleporting is the best method to go around, but consider the fact some people may reather wish to live a more ‘natural’ life, and waterways, roads and railways are the solution.
Now let’s think about the money side. Most sims which are crossed by ways are somewhat more expensive. The bigger that way is, the deerer the lands are. That’s why I tell it : We Need More (Rail)roads and Waterways.
I’d also like to point out some problems with the road system. For instance, no airport has a road at less than 500 meters. Magenta airport is 600 meters of Slate station, Abbotts is 700 meters of Noyo (westernmost road), only that airport in the snow part has a road nearby. Also, the city of Nova Albion, which is notable, has no road linking it. Also is the fact that continents are not linked. Linden Labs should really fix those problems, and put more waterways, railways and roads on the new continents.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:43 AM
Its very nice that we get new continents allways - can’t have enough - I am in SL for having adventures (and not the –for me –boring sex ) I love roleplay-sims and areas without sex - and so I hope there will be a few more of it on the new continents, so i just want to say
THANK YOU !!!! PLEASE MAKE MORE CONTINENTS AND SIMS!! Can’t see enough!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:38 AM
How does Linden Lab figure out when to set up new regions. Surely mainland parcels aren’t selling that fast. I see thousands of bright yellow $ icons when I open up the big map. Parcels just sitting there insanely over priced day after day month after month. I really don’t see a major jump in residents to warrant 740+ regions. So maybe they are in need of about $1,500,000 right now.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:31 AM
Thats just because the lindens want to show that they CAN grow
July 7th, 2007 at 3:53 AM
Stop buying these regions then flattening and ruining the landscape. Thank you
July 7th, 2007 at 4:01 AM
#26. The infrastructure (coastlines, roadway/railways/rightofways, etc) of SL are somewhat like someone playing Simcity who is still learning… Many of the sections look like a ghetto.
If the decisionmakers at SL would invest better resources into “Governor Linden” land, it would improve quality but also increase property value but its all cheap anyway unless you’re a bum who can’t even afford to rent a place in RL! =)
~@
July 7th, 2007 at 4:15 AM
On the lag and estate vs mainland discussion:-
There is no difference between them. Serverside lag occurs when a sim has a lot of people in it and/or a lot of prims in sight. There are horrendously laggy islands/estates just as there are horrendously laggy mainland sims. Islands don’t have a computer to themsleves and more than mainland sims have a computer to themselves. So there is no difference.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:37 AM
Any chance we could bring back First Land and get some in this continent? It’d be a nice touch. Speaking of which, we haven’t had any updates on plans for first land. I know some people made multiple accounts and sold First Land at extremely high prices to actually make money off of it (amongst other reasons, such as some lawyers whom took advantage of glitches and whom I hope the federal government will have no taste for the actions thereof). But would it be possible to use the account identity stuff, since an individual has to use a credit card and prove their ID to actually pay for SL, to be able to buy one first land per real life person?
And awesome. Waterfront land is a pain in the kabooshka to actually buy right now, so hopefully this will knock those prices down a little bit.
July 7th, 2007 at 5:16 AM
Just a thought… why don’t people with common interests buy a complete region together, then split it up among the group? The easisest way to create a residential sim without ad farms and other ugliness. Should be easy to find a handful of neighbours who agree to the same limitations, like no commercial use, no sky-high builds, no ads etc.
July 7th, 2007 at 5:45 AM
You thing you will ever finish the mainland continent to the south, it seems that you have forgotten about that continent. Jadu, Guksu, Third Space, Beowulf, Whitlow, and Rundlelawn still need to bee connected together. And Pogon, Hyojong, Giyeok, Annyong, Pieup, Chebi, Kaemi, and Spurness just drop of the end of the world. It looks like about 31 sims are needed total to finish this contintent. And word on them. 15 look like they should be land and 16 should be water. You could use sim voids to fill the waterways to connect the gap if money is a problem to give the residents a completeted continent.
Just a spontaneous thought.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:06 AM
@ 18, @22, @25, and all those of a similar sentiment:
I wholeheartedly agree with these postings. We NEED: more rivers, canals, lakes, parks, nature strips, etc (with free and open access); less adfarms (they ARE getting out of control, and some of the more ‘mature content’ ads are just too confronting in sims where landowners are trying to build businesses and pleasant residential areas) - they really are stifling the creativity of SL residents who want to develop a better environment.
@26. As a fairly new resident in SL (about 3 months) I was saddened to read Bob Blunderfeld’s account about the lack of foresight of the Lindens when they were presented with his plans for an SL-wide railway system. What a fantastic idea Bob! And what a pity Linden Labs were unable to take a step back to see the big picture!
Since joining SL I have been busily buying blocks of land and have
started developing them with the over-riding rule that any businesses or homes I build will have large tracts of parklands or waterways attached to them. And definitely NO adfarms!
I sincerely hope that the new continent, Corsica, will be taking all these ideas into account?
And how about having the names of all these continents on the World Map? I wasn’t even aware that they HAD names and I own about half a Region of land on one of them!
And Bob, if you ever decide to resurrect your plans you will have MY full support.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:09 AM
@63. Isthara, I’m with you 100 percent on that idea and would dearly love to talk to others who are thinking along those lines. Contact me and Let’s Talk!
July 7th, 2007 at 6:11 AM
Be Nive I got my 512 BAck GOVENER LINDEN HAS !!!!!! CLITCH YOOK IT !!! & ITS STILL NOT FIXED !!! OVER 2 WEEKS NOW !!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 6:56 AM
@26: Yes, it needs more public infrastructure. I think the railway is a good idea. But also streets, cable cars, waterways, parcs and gardens open to the public are things that would make SL much more interesting and enjoyable. In addition I could think of infrastructure provided and parcs created by the residents on LL donated land.
SL will only succeed as a community. Think about what it needs!
July 7th, 2007 at 7:24 AM
FIXES OVER FEATURES.
July 7th, 2007 at 7:36 AM
Hallo Carter; I wonder where the world map is now too, when I first came here in 2004 there WAS a WORLD map!
I recently went to a freebie place where I saw old world ma