Optional Viewer Posted - 1.13.2(12)
Friday, January 19th, 2007 at 5:14 PM by: Joshua LindenWe’ve fixed several of the issues reported in the 1.13.2 release, and have a new optional viewer available for download.
BONUS: Although it wasn’t new in 1.13.2, we finally fixed the Tight Pants issue. Huzzah!
Read on for the release notes…
Release Notes for Second Life 1.13.2(12) January 19, 2007
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Bug fixes:
* Fixed client crash caused by managing estate telehubs
* Fixed client crash caused by corrupt gestures
* Fixed a simulator crash
* Fixed loose clothing appearing tight upon login
* Fixed Ctrl-Alt-A disabling texture animation
* Fixed Search displaying First Land parcels that are unavailable
* Fixed some scripts not receiving email on simulator startup
* Fixed a slowdown during region crossings
* Fixed Edit -> Focus showing incorrect floater contents
* Fixed Buy Land and Buy Pass pie menu options
Jesse Linden posted earlier with workarounds to some other issues.
First Look users: Some but not all of these are fixed in the First Look viewer. We’ll be refreshing that next week.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:16 PM
Thank god for the tight pant fix, now guys wont be talking with such high squeaky voices, good job!
January 19th, 2007 at 5:17 PM
Fixed Ctrl-Alt-A disabling texture animation
OOOH, so THAT’s how it kept turning off. I bet that bug was 99% just tracking down the cause and 1% commenting out a line of code!
January 19th, 2007 at 5:18 PM
Nice job on the quick turnaround.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:30 PM
yay! i was wondering how my texture anims kept turning off
January 19th, 2007 at 5:33 PM
Nevermind the fact that logging in with the old viewer, accepting the download of the new viewer, and attempting to connect again demonstrates that SL is now well and truly dead. There is no indication that you will ever get in-world again, just repeated “Account not available until XXXXX”, where XXXXX increases every time the previous deadline has passed.
Seriously, who thought it was a great idea to make it so that you never ever log off anymore, and therefore cannot ever log in again?
What a hassle.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:33 PM
Hmmm, if only that tight pant fix had worked
Guess I’m still going to be squeaky.
I’ts even more annoying than still haveing to use World=>Region/Estate every time I leave my sim and return. Not as bad as the continual lost inventory though.
Grrrrrrr
January 19th, 2007 at 5:34 PM
World=>Region/Estate is to restore the water that disappears from my land, btw.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:37 PM
You have got to be freaking KIDDING ME!!!
I am logged in as an alt right now, watching my not-logging-off other account!!! I have logged off last over an hour ago!!! I have attempted to sign in several times since, but I cannot BECAUSE SL WILL NOT LOG ME OFF!
This is pure BS.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:47 PM
optional as is we’re not sure if this one will work either?
January 19th, 2007 at 5:47 PM
Woot! YAY! One thing I am wondering though… I keep losing sound on TP… is that just me or do other people have this problem?
January 19th, 2007 at 5:48 PM
How much longer are we going to have to wait before the disappearing water problem is fixed, its been a couple updates at least since this was reported
Thanks
January 19th, 2007 at 5:50 PM
Hey Robby, same problem here :/ more than 1 hour, and still the same message, “The system is logging you out right now …”.
Don’t know what to do, but wait and wait that’s all.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:50 PM
so sould i not worry about d/l’ing the optional update???
January 19th, 2007 at 5:55 PM
Installing that patch was a bad idea…Now I can’t link objects because they’re “too far apart”. They’re touching for crying out loud!
January 19th, 2007 at 5:57 PM
weeeeeeeeeee jumping inthe pol on this patch!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 19th, 2007 at 5:59 PM
LOL, so thats a NO, DONT INSTALL THE PATCH????????
January 19th, 2007 at 6:04 PM
The update is working great for me, I dont see tight pants, i can link, tp etc etc…
my sound is acting funny but that was since the previous patch.. wow whiners! Ever think YOU or your PC/Connection MAY be the issue?
January 19th, 2007 at 6:07 PM
& what about failed teleports that result in me being logged off?
very very sad…. pants are more important than failing teleports & failed log-ons that leave one trapped in the abyss… oh well… life goes on!
*smacks the problems* I laugh at you!!
January 19th, 2007 at 6:08 PM
While I am no longer a regular user of Second Life, I do check in on my land and friends every so often. I continue to not experience the problems many people post about and was wondering if there was any way for me and others who mention they are mostly “problem free” (sure things can be laggy, the new UI windows render slowly and overall the performance can be much worse than it was in the past) to run som sort of “debug” version of the client. Is there any data you could collect and compare to other users who are experiencing these problems as a way to analyze some of the performance and feature failures posted about here?
January 19th, 2007 at 6:09 PM
When oh when is the gesture save going to be addressed? It never even gets a mention in the last few updates.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:09 PM
Isnt the SL sunset beautiful?
January 19th, 2007 at 6:12 PM
lol, rats! i wondered why i was getting so many passes made at me. *tightens pants as standard from now on*
Rock on guys! Great job
January 19th, 2007 at 6:28 PM
This is rediculous.. I downloaded the new update and it wont even let me log on.
I’m about to just give up on SecondLife.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:45 PM
Well They fixxed a few issues with this client one being tight pants :P.
But I not having login issues or crashing at all.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:45 PM
To Moose up there a few comments(17), the gesture saving was addressed and fixed. Unless this latest patch broke it again, that is.
I was able to make a new gesture yesterday, I sincerely hope it still works!
January 19th, 2007 at 6:47 PM
If you don’t like SL then go away.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:56 PM
THANK YOU!
I just downloaded it. Orbit is back WOOHOO - the speed is greatly increased. Much better!
January 19th, 2007 at 6:59 PM
OK - is the consensus to update or not? I had no real problems with the last one, so is this an act of faith?
January 19th, 2007 at 7:02 PM
Awesome! You should also include that Teleport Issues are incredibly better!
yay Linden Lab! We are on task now!!!
January 19th, 2007 at 7:03 PM
Wow, Linden Lab has gone into overdrive on everything..
January 19th, 2007 at 7:05 PM
OK guys - I’ll take that as a positive. Installing nooooooooow….
January 19th, 2007 at 7:06 PM
I got the update without any problems. The thing which prompted me to get it was logging off because my region was being restarted. Maybe people who are having trouble logging off/on are experiencing something unrelated to the update. I don’t know why my region was restarted, but I guess some problem must have been happening on the grid.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:09 PM
I love it when I see patches that are just bugfixes, that makes my day!!!
*now for our regularly scheduled complaint*
Actually, I can live with just about everything, except the thing, when you start to type and every single menu known to man and SL pops up. Is there a way to turn that off? It’s quite annoying to have to click the chat bar and im window twice just to type.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:15 PM
/me is scared to download the optional viewer. Am seeing lots of my friends hanging around in world - who logged off 40 minutes ago :/
January 19th, 2007 at 7:18 PM
I must be the only one unable to dwl the update .. When i try run it it says its corrupt
January 19th, 2007 at 7:22 PM
OK - mixed result. Seems like a lot of my inventory has gone. Not a lot of high value stuff, and textures I uploaded seem fine, but all the same. It might have been free, or L$1 (or even L$50) but even so it took time to find. Plus my wings have gone GDI!!!
January 19th, 2007 at 7:24 PM
Sorry - ignore that last comment. Seems to have come back (is the viewer reading my blog entries??)
Kudos to LL for trying. Appreciated. Now I have to go set up my new texture shop.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:28 PM
For missing inventory, you should press cntrl p > networking > clear catche > relog
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If that doesnt work, contact a Liaison in-world or via Instant Message
-Joker
January 19th, 2007 at 7:40 PM
Thx Joker. Didn’t know that. Had a video crash, but thats happened before. Restarted and trying again.
January 19th, 2007 at 8:33 PM
AH, can’t tp, can’t sit walk or fly, chat lags, 10,10,10, clothes missing , inventory missing, water missing, grass missing, walls missing, peoples missing, furries missing, me missing, it’s all the viewers fault & new blogs fault, it’s just coincidnetal I started running SL on diallup at 56kbps. Stop fixing teh grid & fix my ADSL, gimme, gimme, gimme….. (Sarcasm mode off).
January 19th, 2007 at 8:34 PM
“Gillian Waldman Says: /me is scared to download the optional viewer. Am seeing lots of my friends hanging around in world - who logged off 40 minutes ago :/”
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Think of the free extra quality time with them you get
January 19th, 2007 at 8:55 PM
thanks Val Suisei #25 =)
ohh and TY LL .. Finally!!!!
January 19th, 2007 at 9:03 PM
On and skating (OMG!) - well trying too. SL rocks.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:04 PM
The newer viewer feels much more stable than the last one. Thank you.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:22 PM
when will LL introduce smells? off topic sorry
*smack*
January 19th, 2007 at 10:28 PM
I just wanted to say I think all at Linden Labs are doing a wonderful job. This is just the release I need to get me through the day. So what if there are a few glitches. That’s LIFE. . .Second Life or Real Life. Keep up the good work. . .
kisses
January 20th, 2007 at 12:39 AM
Great! not mentioned here, but the inventory issue (folders opening randomly) has gotten a stealth fix too
yay!
Now, when i get my 1000 items back i lost at xmas, i’ll be even more happy.
January 20th, 2007 at 12:46 AM
ok welll ty for this updates but still i really think we should HAVE NECK ATTACHMENTS no idea why we dont have NECK ATTACHEMNTS and hell if need be if too meny attachemts well if you want to or need to take one away take away chin attachment and make a NECK ATTACHMENT
January 20th, 2007 at 12:56 AM
ill say it again whats a girl got to do to get a dam update for something all can use and something to add that is needed NECK ATTACHMENT PLEASE SHESH
January 20th, 2007 at 1:35 AM
Just wondering, for those people who installed the update and could not get back due to the grid still thinking they were logged in - did you folks click the “Download” button from inside the old viewer (when prompted to update), or just download from the website and install?
I wonder if the old viewer is failing to log folks off before initiating the installation of the new download?
Just a thought .. I always download from the website myself, as I save the install file to my network for installation on multiple machines..
/me goes to download and install latest version
January 20th, 2007 at 1:37 AM
The llParticleSystem([]) bug is still there (it sometimes fails to stop the particles from being emitted). This is a -regression- to 1.13.1 and earlier versions, please fix that annoying bug ASAP and make a new optional SL viewer update…
IMHO regressions should -always- be dealt with as a #1 priority, as they break what people used to see working, making them bitch at ya Lindens (and not always without reason) for breaking more things which each new release…
January 20th, 2007 at 1:43 AM
Is the First Look viewer up to date with this one ?
Has something happened to the debug setting HtmlHelpHomePage?
I went to change it and it didn’t seem to be in the list.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:45 AM
Gillian, how is it that you have a pic posted on the top right of your posts?
January 20th, 2007 at 2:09 AM
One thing that is anoying me is the scammers in Land Sales search.
They advertise land as costing, i.e. L$ 500, but it turns out this is just money to reserve the land and actual cost is L$ 9000+ in rent each month. Or entries that specify a weekly rental price, just won’t become property of the buyer or have incredibly restrictive convenants.
I know how to ignore these, but they pollute the search. Couldn’t you have additional search criteria for “One-time purchase”, “Monthly rent”, “reservation cost”, “weekly rent”?
Also, it might be nice to put in a prim/cost ratio too, considering many pieces of land are bought for prim space only.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:29 AM
To Terish Yohkoh
I agree a neck attachment is a very good idea, however the chin attachment is very useful when it is used for implants. Implants being menu driven tactical weapon and defense devices designed to be used but not seen on your Avatar’s body, or cluttering up your screen with a HUD that is rarely used. the device is attached to your chin. ( Important !! you must be bald - in order for this procedure to work properly ) at which point you use the edit arrows to carefully reposition said device into the head of the Avatar, you must Be Careful Not to Bury it to Deep!! Carefully use the edit arrow controls and reposition the implant to the rear of your cranium ( back of you skull ) leaving just enough to be visible with out your hair being worn or only a bare skull. Put your hair back on and now you have a fully functional menu driven or chat command tactical device at your beck and call, and invisible to others and not ruining the look of your avatar or wasting precious screen real estate :_)) hope that helps justify the need for this seldom used attach point.
But to any Lindens out there listening Terish has a very valid and excellent idea here. I wish I had thought of it. ” A neck attachment point for jewelery is a great idea ”
Way to go Terish! Rock On Sister!
JayR Cela
January 20th, 2007 at 2:47 AM
Thanks for the exellent metamorphose of the 80’s rock-pants into a more peace loving 70’s one.
The first thing i keep doing the whole day already, is looking at everybody’s pants now…..
hihi
January 20th, 2007 at 2:57 AM
HtmlHelpHomePage, the debug setting that was useful to change your F1 browser home page from the new user help to the LSL wiki or such - it’s not in the debug settings anymore.
Is there a substitute? Is this by design or an oversight?
January 20th, 2007 at 2:59 AM
Can’t log in … can’t see anything in the worldview - no interface - can’t chat, can’t teleport…
Oh wait I haven’t started the program yet.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:04 AM
Yes.. I wish you never enabled the ‘Pressing Alt Key Focuses Menu’, for the building folk of SL everywhere who use the alt camera are having a tricky time right now.
It’s so annoying using the camera, then someone appears infront, so you go to type like normal and bleh, menu’s everywhere. Not only that, have to close them and re-type. Please add an option to disable it >.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:17 AM
Why the heck did you forbid the new client??
The ‘first look’ POS-klient keep crashing on me.
BRING THE OTHER ONE BACK!
I HATE the FIRST LOOK!
BRING THE OTHER ONE BACK!
January 20th, 2007 at 4:24 AM
Plase add an option to switch Alt key behavior to not activate menus. I’m using camera view a lot, and very often I’m entering menu when I start a chat.
Or add an option to use Shift instead of Alt to use camera view.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:38 AM
Amazing fast coders. Thank you LL for these fast fixes.
January 20th, 2007 at 4:49 AM
Tight pants were easily fixed by just going to appearance for a sec, plz concentrate on the major issues of TP deaths its driving me insane, also after being logged off having to re install the bloody thing!
January 20th, 2007 at 5:02 AM
> BONUS: Although it wasn’t new in 1.13.2, we finally fixed the Tight
> Pants issue. Huzzah!
Uh … no, you did not …
January 20th, 2007 at 5:14 AM
Building now allows me to build cubes only. Okay, I know I’m a square, but please don’t rub it in.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:22 AM
@ Dave - you would have to enter appearance in front of (meaning while they are looking at you) every single avatar in the sim for them to see you normally. If I turn around and you “fix your pants” and then I turn back to see you, I still see tight pants.
Yes, it’s definitely not serious in the grand scheme of things, but it sure was ugly
I have not yet downloaded the optional viewer. Am still scared
Waiting to see more feedback.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:46 AM
Building has become a huge frustration now. Let me count the ways…
1. Can build only cubes. Thankfully, it is still possible to change a cube into something else afterwards.
2. At times the fields of the build properties breaks. Then I can’t type anything in it, although the up/down arrows still works.
3. During these times, one can type spaces and backspaces, but no characters or numbers.
4. Client freezes for long periods of time (several seconds at a time, usually in the vinicity of 10 seconds).
5. Camera movements pauses regularly for several seconds.
Strongly recommended: do not install the optional update if you want to build stuff.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:49 AM
Does anyone ever stop to think gee hey maybe my end is the problem here and its not LL’s end. A good deal of problems in SL result from people setting their bandwidth to some number that their ISP doesnt want to work with. Just because you can push it up to 1500 kbps doesnt mean its a good idea. Also the client is going to interact differently on several computers due to differences in programs, hardware etc on and/or in the computer.
Different variables lead to different things. Logging off usually was because you were in a region that was hanging up at the time you were logged off or crashed or what have you. I’ve had little problem TP’ing even with that stuff going on last night where it was almost impossible to move around. People go focus on the major issues. Hey they gotta get a bug report on the matter or what have you and actually find the faulty code to recode it and believe me staring at code after awhile you get a headache.
Everyone is so hard on LL really. Stop comparing them to companies like WoW that have hundreds more coders then LL. When you have a dev team as small as LL is you dont have as many people looking at the kinks and it gets fixed at a slower pace. They can do all the testing they want with a release but ultimately till it hits the main grid and a home users computer they dont know because as i stated there are quite a few variables. The first being that the main grid isnt the test environment and has all the users stuff in it more users and has much more content and pressure put on it as such.
Regardless of as a small dev team of last i checked it was 40 peoeple. LL do an amazing job with things. I hope they keep up the good work. While there are some things that happens its to be expected that things will happen they happen in other online games but all of a sudden when someone else does it its not as big of a deal. Also other game manufacturers as i state quite a bit are following a formula that has been in place for god knows how long now 10 years at least as far as MMORPGS go and SL and LL have created something completely diff you gotta expect quirks in the first program of this type.
More will pop up I assure you the question is will they be able to offer everything SL does and remain stable. Sad to say but what i’ve seen publicly in production is lacking in so many area’s its not funny. For a game like this to be successful they need to offer the freedom and yes an adult grid and a teen grid. They need to have an economy that will work for the users and need to have a way for users to make their own content beyond what SL allows and sadly as i said at the current time what is publicly in development is lapse period. You can say the project names and they are going to be cool but you know whats been described doesnt come close to what SL is.
I dont want to be forced to use an outside builder to make an object. Whilst my background is in game design i dont think its fair to content creators. They need to build off SL’s formula and make it more open and more stable and easier to use for the latent person.
Irregardless glad to see an intermittent release of bug fixes
January 20th, 2007 at 5:52 AM
above post WoW was meant to be blizzard >.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:54 AM
I do apologize for the long post didnt seem that long when i was typing =/
January 20th, 2007 at 5:56 AM
Zflat most of the problems you described are bugs i found in the First Look viewer and if your complaining about that. Uhhhh its a beta viewer its to be expected that these things are going to pop up period. The beta viewer is just that a Beta viewer and its to test out on the main grid to work out bugs like that, Your not using the official client i can tell as i just logged off the first look viewer and onto the official client and i can change the shape. Building isnt impossible if you use the official viewer but the beta (first look) viewer is still a work in progress we will see fixes made to it I assure you and its been a reported bug of the first look client.
January 20th, 2007 at 6:01 AM
Why can´t i log using the official viewer anymore?
This optional first look beta viewer keeps crashing on me, i cant play second life anymore. Help!
January 20th, 2007 at 6:03 AM
And if you are using the official viewer its something on your end causing this as i have no pauses no freezes no problems with camera movements or the build menu. This must be broken on your end or your using first look as described above. As the update is fine for me (btw with the text fields make sure you have pressed insert as some of the time it becomes a big highlighted text field input thing and overwrites what is typed in and the insert key usually fixes this on the main viewer.) However there are no problems im seeing on this optional update short of a lower FPS as im not using first look so i could test this….
January 20th, 2007 at 6:25 AM
@ Gillian, i was only talkin about my own trousers lol i dnt care about other ppl and how they look
January 20th, 2007 at 6:40 AM
@ dave - okies
Maybe it’s me, but I seriously could hardly log-in with the tight pants issue 
It bugged me that much.
I did just download the optional viewer and it seems fine. Now, to go hunt pants of the non tight variety ^^
January 20th, 2007 at 6:41 AM
umm… the new viewer seriously has issues, mainly insane slowdown… unless it’s just the grid, which is offline….
January 20th, 2007 at 6:50 AM
I really think we need to rise up and boycott Second Life all as one, until the Lindens fix the piece of garbage they’ve pushed on us. There are obviously going to be some who are way too addicted, but we’re getting screwed over here and all you people want to do is complain and not do anything about it.
I lost over L$6600 worth of stuff in one fell swoop to their precious “coalesce” BS (it didn’t come back when I found out what my land had coalesced to), and they have been totally and completely unhelpful. What a wonderful game this is when they steal your money randomly and you can’t get any compensation or support, just a pat on the rump and a “better luck next time”?
January 20th, 2007 at 6:57 AM
Can’t log in after last update.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:01 AM
Yes!!! No more tight pants. Best news in awhile. That was really bothering me for awhile.
I was having problems loggin in this morning before I downloaded the new viewer, and after. But just finally got in. So maybe the failied logins have nothing to do with the viewer.
Great Job Linden Labs, keep up the good work!!
January 20th, 2007 at 7:01 AM
Same problem as Maximilian - login not functional after updating. It hangs at the start of the login process and then crashes the viewer.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:05 AM
Hmm, looks like more problems again… number of users online has just dropped suddenly by 3000…
January 20th, 2007 at 7:07 AM
well I just downloaded and installed the new update.
Now it just hangs on ‘Loggin In. Second Life may appear to be frozen’
Can’t even sign in right now.
Is this because of problems their end, or has this new update just totally screwed me over.
Anyone still got the install file for the older (11) vers of 1.13.2 ???
January 20th, 2007 at 7:31 AM
I downloaded the update and installed it..
I got the random flying triangles, which is something I haven’t seen for a couple of updates.
Had to uninstall the client completely and do a registry sweep, then re-install the original update to be able to see anything other than giant smeared triangles everywhere.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:47 AM
SOunds like something on your end max =/ As far as i see i can sign in perfectly fine and have no buggy things Looks like we may run into problems again today though with this as its etching close to 19,000 on now and its not even 8:00 am at LL >..
January 20th, 2007 at 7:48 AM
I dont see the bugs half these people do so i dunno =/
January 20th, 2007 at 7:51 AM
@ Arksun - I also get stuck at the “logging in” stage for about 3 minutes , then it logs in ok. Dunno whether it’s the viewer or load. I just try to be patient. It’s a bit scary though - not knowing if you’re going to get in
January 20th, 2007 at 7:56 AM
This is usually something to do with your end >.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:56 AM
I didn’t notice if anyone has mentioned it, but I ran into James Linden inworld last night and he confirmed to me that the First Look viewer is still in sync more or less with the world and usable (sans the estate management and tight pants fix) and was in fact using it himself at that point. I switched over to it and he was right.
Got me a cute fanged Linden bear too
January 20th, 2007 at 8:00 AM
ugh ok well anyways. i was saying the login thing is usually cuz of something stuck on your end (lindens need to do away with the one smiley face making a post end lol) Ok well this is usually on your end and try virus scan defrag spyware scan and disk cleanup. Under certain conditions it does happen cuz of load like last night with over 20k people on. Aside from that its usually a client side problem. Could be hardware or like i said stuff needs to be scanned/cleaned. Anyways it doesnt always happen and hasnt happened to me in awhile but then i normally use the linux client as of late and havent had it happen there (not sure on OSX) but i know the windows client is prone to it but thats windows for ya. Its likely nothing to do with the SL software just the Bloatware Windows is locking up the program for awhile.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:04 AM
it is elisha its just a matter of those things. You see the updates to the viewer are required when they need to make certain changes with the protocol this is why the update the released source code etc each time to make sure that the stuff is regulated with the proper protocol version. This is why an update i necessary when they change the protocol version. Otherwise it wouldnt be necessary for anyone to have to update their client at all.
Minus the bugs with the First Look client its rather enjoyable really.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:05 AM
@ Lina: Yeh, i suspect you’re right. I found it made a huge difference when I turned off the AGP in preferences.
and persuant to an earlier comment, the entire SL concept is a beta in my opinion. And I don’t mean that in a bad way, merely as a statement of fact.
After all… has anyone heard of this being attempted anywhere else, by anyone else, on any scale whatsoever? I sure haven’t.
Bugs are part of the process. Every user has his or her own priorities as to what is important. What one user might consider to be a bug might very simply be an annoying feature of the system. ( My annoyance: arrow keys don’t move the avatar when I am IM’ing with someone). At first I thought it was a bug, but came to realize it isn’t. I’m sure there are dozens of other similar examples.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:08 AM
well AGP would only help you if you had an AGP card im not sure how it pertains to PCI-e cards as of yet but wont help a PCI card. Trying to use features your card doesnt have is never good for it though.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:08 AM
and by AGP i mean agp acceleration O.o
January 20th, 2007 at 8:12 AM
And there are people attempting to make virtual worlds but the ones i’ve tested either are far to complicated for the average SL user and warrant you to almost have taken classes in 3d design involving programs like 3ds max or doing a ton of blender tutorials over a few years etc or they simply are way to lacking and buggy/laggy at the same time. I was told something better was in the works but the person said they were under a NDA so its hard to argue if its true or false or what have you and if its not known to the public.
Virtual worlds that spring up need to remember one major thing. You have to blend creativity functionality openness economics and community in a certain way to make a virtual world successful and to that point no no one is doing what LL is doing with SL
January 20th, 2007 at 8:13 AM
Linden’s If your reading this just a heads up that your reaching close to 20k people and if its still rising then you may run into problems again like last night just much earlier in the day!!!!!
January 20th, 2007 at 8:28 AM
@ Lina - actually, I believe the wait in logging in (ie getting stuck at the first handshake) is in fact load related. It is sometimes, but not always, followed by the “downloading clothing” issue, which sometimes (but not always) yields an invisble av, empty inventory, and no Linden $s. Everytime it has happened to me, I see other load related issues (profiles not loading, search slow, etc.).
I don’t have (thankfully) most or even many of the other issues mentioned here or on other “zOMG” posts, but this one is pretty consistent with DB load.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:34 AM
It varies on occasion Gillian this time it may be DB load but other times it wasnt happened to me over a year ago as well when the DB stuff was fine and it ended up being hardware related. I was just saying most circumstances its usually the persons end. This is also consistent with their bandwidth setting being to high as well its what i usually run into with newbies and i help them out of that. But there are variables there that make it possible for it to be a number of things Load in this case but if it happens regularly its not LL’s end.
January 20th, 2007 at 9:57 AM
Not being able to log in is to do with SL at this point, Lina. SL May be working perfectly for you, but you don’t represent every other user in-world.
It was happening to me yesterday, it’s happening to me now. My computer is running fine and smoothly with everything else but secondlife, it was working fine before I tp’ed into celestial which had major lag issues, and i started to have rendering issues on my side. Now I can only get to connecting to region, and then the prog’ stops responding. Alot of people are having the same problems at this time, it’s not a coincidence.
January 20th, 2007 at 10:58 AM
Well, just like Lina, I got hardly any problems at all with SL and its viewer. The main problem I have with SL, is the amount of boringly repetitive moaners and haters who seem to hang around for the recreation of whining. Please all these people, remember that you’re in an experimental situation, and If You’re Stupid Enough to base your whole Business on it , then you are Going To Fail. Its Stupid. Its DOT COM. I really do hope these people go join something else. otherwise - Every update i get off SL IMPROVES THINGS. IT GETS BETTER.. jesus people, GO AWAY.
Line . respect to ya. u sound intelligent
January 20th, 2007 at 11:17 AM
Alpha
How long have you been in SL?
Quant
January 20th, 2007 at 11:26 AM
This keyboard thing, where you’re typing something and then menus start flying open and options selected needs to be ACKNOWLEDGED AS A KNOWN ISSUE, AND FIXED.
If I missed it, then I’m sorry, but as of now I have not seen this acknowledged as a known issue and it needs to be. This is a horrible bug introduced with the last update. It affects me on two different computers, my wife on her computer, and various people I’ve talked to in game. I can not believe this has not been reproduced.
It is a very serious usability bug. It completely disrupts flow of conversation and game play and it needs to be fixed ASAP. In the middle of typing something and suddenly I’m teleporting home, or I’ve requested special privaleges and now I’ve been reported, etc.. etc. etc. ACKNOWLEDGE IT, FIX IT.
The latest update does seem faster, the tight pants issue is a very welcome fix, and I would be very happy with the direction things are going if I were still able to carry on any meaningful conversation in game without menus flying open and me doing wierd things I would never choose to do. VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY ANNOYING.
January 20th, 2007 at 11:37 AM
update: that earlier problem not being able to sign in at all wasn’t related to upgrading to the optional, just a case of bad timing coincidence.
This update HAS fixed the occasional total client freeze problem i was having. So anyone reading this that had SL freeze completely for a fraction of a sec at random occasions on 1.13.2 (11), I recommend grabbing this (12) version
January 20th, 2007 at 11:39 AM
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January 20th, 2007 at 11:41 AM
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January 20th, 2007 at 11:48 AM
oh god, i knew it was to good to be true. HOLD OFF ON UPGRADING!
Link/Unlink doesn’t work, I can’t build… great… just %&*king great!
Yeah it works if you create some brand new objects and link those together, but anything already made, or if you deselect those new ones and try to edit later, forget it. link and unlink are shadowed out.
January 20th, 2007 at 11:52 AM
Do you have edit linked parts ticked
January 20th, 2007 at 11:53 AM
well, i think the failure of the “tight pants” fix is because i run dual monitor, which has been broken for ages (I turn completely black if i change clothes). Guess this is something thiat isn’t likelyto get fixed for a LONG time.
I have noticed another problem though - can’t open notecards to edit (insufficient permissions) in an object not owned by me, but my partner, although the notecard has modify perms and my partner and I can modify each others objects. I was using this successfully until a forced logoff from SL prompted me to load the new viewer. The notecards in the vendor i was modifying before are now unavailable to me, which is a real pain as i can’t make urgent changes in our store
January 20th, 2007 at 11:58 AM
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January 20th, 2007 at 12:48 PM
“Lozlo Peng Says:
January 20th, 2007 at 11:52 AM PST
Do you have edit linked parts ticked”
Doesn’t make any difference, link/unlink still shadowed out if i highlight a linked object i’ve made, sitting on my own land, with all the right permissions.
Worked fine 1.13.2 (11) and previous. not in (12).
Can’t build, thanks linden, this will really help me finish my shop.
January 20th, 2007 at 12:55 PM
Oh right - it normally happens if you haved edit linked parts ticked. Obviously a bug then
January 20th, 2007 at 12:55 PM
People -need- to calm the hell down. All of these login problems are almost undoubtedly caused by something on the user-end of SecondLife.
After all, -tons- of other users can log on without even a hint of a problem.
And Lina has it right - there’s no need to just bash and smash all over LL when they seriously do work outrageously hard on making sure you can have fun. People need to sit back and understand that.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:48 PM
* Fixed loose clothing appearing tight upon login
No, you didn’t.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:41 PM
Link/Unlink works fine for me with this optional viewer. Been building all day with new and old items pulled from inventory linking and unlinking. Maybe something fubar in the sim you are building in.
January 20th, 2007 at 6:45 PM
I am experiencing the build and related problems that were first mentioned here by Zflat. The Create and Edit menus, at least, are broken. There are many other weird things going on. My guess is that application-level events (not LSL events) are being lost or arriving out of sequence on the server; that would explain all of it. This could be due to bugs in the Viewer and/or in combination with server load.
I have reported this in detail in Request (aka Live) Help, but the Linden refused to be helpful. A full report of that encounter with transcripts will be posted elsewhere for people to review.
This was using the new optional Viewer that was foisted upon me when I logged in. (This is not the First Look Viewer, unless they are the same thing.)
This is definitely not on my end. There are no workarounds. In particular, the usual relog/cache has no effect. It is 100% reproducible.
right-click on the ground, see the Create menu, notice that you cannot select anything other than the box, try to rezz it on the ground. Indescribable wacky random fun will then commence.
January 20th, 2007 at 6:51 PM
Well so far this client has locked up at random times, coming back after 4 to 5 seconds and has crashed for unknown reasons 4 times.
Well done LL, yet another outstanding release.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:02 PM