Comments on: If it sounds too good to be true… http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/ By Linden Lab Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:55:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Roger Klata http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143892 Roger Klata Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:49:16 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143892 Exactly. If it has no monetary value (despite whatever their "exchange rate says") and they can be removed for any reason that happens to float thier boats... they should either NOT allow people to spend $ for L$ and instead have some way for people to get the L$ ingame (omigod i called it a game O.O) like monthly allowences. (starting people with X amout of lindens would only result in endless characters created just to move those "newbie lindens" to thier character) The other logical choice is to put an actual value to the L$ (ie their "exchange rate") stick to it, and NOT remove L$ unless it proven that the L$ was gained fradulently AND they can prove who/how the fradulent charges occured by. Exactly. If it has no monetary value (despite whatever their “exchange rate says”) and they can be removed for any reason that happens to float thier boats… they should either NOT allow people to spend $ for L$ and instead have some way for people to get the L$ ingame (omigod i called it a game O.O) like monthly allowences. (starting people with X amout of lindens would only result in endless characters created just to move those “newbie lindens” to thier character) The other logical choice is to put an actual value to the L$ (ie their “exchange rate”) stick to it, and NOT remove L$ unless it proven that the L$ was gained fradulently AND they can prove who/how the fradulent charges occured by.

]]> By: Bill Alamo http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143611 Bill Alamo Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:40:36 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143611 If Linden Dollars has no monetary value, then WHY do we have to purchase linden dollars in the first place. It should be given to us free of charge, after all, second life is like a make belief world, a fantasy world where the user can do anything he wants, such as running a virtual fake business, ect. Linden Labs should give every new account like $10,000 linden dollars to start, and if the account holder wants more he or she can operate a fake business to generate more lindens so he or she can buy more stuff or lands in second life. I find NO sense whats so ever having to PAY to get lindens so then you confiscate my lindens WITHOUT REASON (like what you state on your TOS) that is robbery PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I Pay for Lindens, you take them away from me without reason and notice, you are stealing my money and I am pretty sure I will win in court if that case ever comes up. That provision of your TOS WILL get over thrown by a competent court of law because it is simply illegal. If it has no monetary value, you cannot charge for it, and for confiscation to occur there has to be a valid, legal reason behind it, you cannot just TAKE OTHER PEOPLE'S HARD HEARD MONEY away from them for no reason at any time. Please revise your TOS to say that money will only be confiscated if there is a valid reason behind it, the victim shall be given the opportunity to prove the contrary. If Linden Dollars has no monetary value, then WHY do we have to purchase linden dollars in the first place. It should be given to us free of charge, after all, second life is like a make belief world, a fantasy world where the user can do anything he wants, such as running a virtual fake business, ect. Linden Labs should give every new account like $10,000 linden dollars to start, and if the account holder wants more he or she can operate a fake business to generate more lindens so he or she can buy more stuff or lands in second life.

I find NO sense whats so ever having to PAY to get lindens so then you confiscate my lindens WITHOUT REASON (like what you state on your TOS) that is robbery PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I Pay for Lindens, you take them away from me without reason and notice, you are stealing my money and I am pretty sure I will win in court if that case ever comes up. That provision of your TOS WILL get over thrown by a competent court of law because it is simply illegal. If it has no monetary value, you cannot charge for it, and for confiscation to occur there has to be a valid, legal reason behind it, you cannot just TAKE OTHER PEOPLE’S HARD HEARD MONEY away from them for no reason at any time. Please revise your TOS to say that money will only be confiscated if there is a valid reason behind it, the victim shall be given the opportunity to prove the contrary.

]]> By: Ceera Murakami http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143275 Ceera Murakami Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:31:25 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143275 chmarr, I'm <b>not</b> defending Linden Lab's position on the matter. I think it's horrible what they did to you and to the other innocent fictims of this mess, and that docking the reciever for more than they recieved is just plain wrong. What I was stating in my last post was what they will almost certainly fall back on if they find themselves in court over the matter. I'm no lawyer though, and I would love to see a number of things in the TOS rewritten or ammended to make the rights of those who use SL a more fair and certain matter. chmarr, I’m not defending Linden Lab’s position on the matter. I think it’s horrible what they did to you and to the other innocent fictims of this mess, and that docking the reciever for more than they recieved is just plain wrong. What I was stating in my last post was what they will almost certainly fall back on if they find themselves in court over the matter. I’m no lawyer though, and I would love to see a number of things in the TOS rewritten or ammended to make the rights of those who use SL a more fair and certain matter.

]]> By: chmarr walcott http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143214 chmarr walcott Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:49:06 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143214 Ceera Murakami you said L$ has no monetary value. well explane why i'm being forced to pay back nearly 2 million L$ even tho i did NOT have that money in the first place 2 million is almost $8,000 USD and all i had in my account was just over L$5000 and when i was made a victim of fraud its me being made to pay back something thats not worth anything Ceera Murakami you said L$ has no monetary value.

well explane why i’m being forced to pay back nearly 2 million L$ even tho i did NOT have that money in the first place

2 million is almost $8,000 USD and all i had in my account was just over L$5000 and when i was made a victim of fraud its me being made to pay back something thats not worth anything

]]> By: Ricky Zamboni http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143207 Ricky Zamboni Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:17:14 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143207 @Ceera: Just because the TOS says something, doesn't make it true. The arbitrary removal of a user's property is exactly the type of thing that *should* be decided in court so we can get past this notion that the "TOS is all that matters". @Ceera: Just because the TOS says something, doesn’t make it true. The arbitrary removal of a user’s property is exactly the type of thing that *should* be decided in court so we can get past this notion that the “TOS is all that matters”.

]]> By: Ceera Murakami http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143180 Ceera Murakami Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:01:06 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-143180 Bill? No, you'd likely lose the lawsuits. Because LL states clearly in their TOS that they have the right to seize assets for any reason or no reason at all, and that the L$ has no monetary value. Bill? No, you’d likely lose the lawsuits. Because LL states clearly in their TOS that they have the right to seize assets for any reason or no reason at all, and that the L$ has no monetary value.

]]> By: Bill Alamo http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-142612 Bill Alamo Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:10:38 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-142612 If somebody would give me, lets say 1 million lindens and linden labs seizes that based on their risk API program and implements the 150% penalty to my account and I am expected to pay the difference, I would sue linden labs because Linden lab's actions is without merit. If, for some reasons, I were to operate a virtual business on second life and my legit business becomes a successful one and.... CATAPLUM!! Linden Labs decides to ban/disable my account and/or seize my money and/or implement the 150% penalty to my account based on their Risk API I would sue Linden Labs and collect damages. I would win either lawsuits it if ever happens. If somebody would give me, lets say 1 million lindens and linden labs seizes that based on their risk API program and implements the 150% penalty to my account and I am expected to pay the difference, I would sue linden labs because Linden lab’s actions is without merit.

If, for some reasons, I were to operate a virtual business on second life and my legit business becomes a successful one and…. CATAPLUM!! Linden Labs decides to ban/disable my account and/or seize my money and/or implement the 150% penalty to my account based on their Risk API I would sue Linden Labs and collect damages.

I would win either lawsuits it if ever happens.

]]> By: Aegyptia Elvehjem http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-142542 Aegyptia Elvehjem Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:14:39 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-142542 definately not fair *nods* definately not fair *nods*

]]> By: chmarr walcott http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-142431 chmarr walcott Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:38:21 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-142431 Aegyptia its not one million......nexxus account was in the red to the tune of 9 million....i know me n him were in the same boat as i'm an estate manager and one of the seinor admins ...there about 15 seinor admins nexxus did not spend the donation he was making plans on using it to keep the sims rental fees upto date but before he could this happend to us Aegyptia its not one million……nexxus account was in the red to the tune of 9 million….i know me n him were in the same boat as i’m an estate manager and one of the seinor admins …there about 15 seinor admins

nexxus did not spend the donation he was making plans on using it to keep the sims rental fees upto date but before he could this happend to us

]]> By: Aegyptia Elvehjem http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-142222 Aegyptia Elvehjem Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:39:22 +0000 http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%e2%80%a6/#comment-142222 chmarr walcott, I was referring to the letter that Nexxus Ambassador wrote concerning accepting a donation for FurNation that he had checked out and in good faith took and then invested in FurNation as was agreed. He had stated in that letter that his acct, since he spent the donation, was placed into the negative when restored by LL. The link to his blog letter isn't working, but here is an article on the subject. http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/2007/01/11/furnation-fraud/ "He was never told how this happened, nor what, if anything, LL was planning on doing to pursue the perpetrator. At this time, although Nexxus' account has been restored, he is in the red to the tune of over one million Linden dollars, and is considering closing up shop." So you guys got hit in more ways than one I guess, that really sucks, I hope everything is resolved soon and better than it has been thusly, it would be ashamed if FurNation left SL. chmarr walcott, I was referring to the letter that Nexxus Ambassador wrote concerning accepting a donation for FurNation that he had checked out and in good faith took and then invested in FurNation as was agreed. He had stated in that letter that his acct, since he spent the donation, was placed into the negative when restored by LL. The link to his blog letter isn’t working, but here is an article on the subject.

http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/2007/01/11/furnation-fraud/

“He was never told how this happened, nor what, if anything, LL was planning on doing to pursue the perpetrator. At this time, although Nexxus’ account has been restored, he is in the red to the tune of over one million Linden dollars, and is considering closing up shop.”

So you guys got hit in more ways than one I guess, that really sucks, I hope everything is resolved soon and better than it has been thusly, it would be ashamed if FurNation left SL.

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